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#1  Edited By Bluudynuckles
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can i add a 3080 rtx card to my current setup , will it be compatible?

Case:iBUYPOWER Snowblind N450 Gaming Case - White with LCD Side PanelProcessor:Intel® Core™ i7-7700K Processor (4x 4.20GHz/8MB L3 Cache) - Intel® Core™ i7-7700KMotherboard:MSI Z270 Tomahawk ARCTIC -- 3x PCIe x16, 1x USB 3.1 Type-C, 4x USB 3.1, 2x USB 2.0 [Intel Optane Ready]Memory:32GB [ 16GB X2] 32 gigs DDR4-2400 / Video Card:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti - 11GB - MSI ARMOR OC (VR-Ready) - Single CardCase Lighting:Snowblind White LEDsPower Supply:800 Watt - Standard 80 PLUS Bronze - (includes White Sleeved Cables)Processor Cooling:DEEPCOOL Captain 120EX 120mm Liquid Cooling System - WhitePrimary Storage:240 GB Kingston A400 SATA-3 SSD + 2 TB 7200RPM Hard DriveSecondary Storage:1TB Hard Drive -- 32MB Cache, 7200RPM, 6.0Gb/s -

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#2  Edited By 04dcarraher
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Will it work? Yea it will but, pairing a RTX 3080 with a quad core i7 7700k that's going on 4 years old is not a good combo. That cpu is going to choke "bottleneck" that RTX 3080 with any resolution used even with 4k with modern titles. Now if you plan on upgrading your system later down the road~ like 6 months. Then getting a 3080 now if you can get it as close to MSRP as you can. Wont be a bad investment/upgrade. But to get one and not upgrade that 7700k, you will be wasting that 3080's potential.

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#3 GeryGo  Moderator
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@bluudynuckles: just don't forget you can't SLI your 1080Ti with it.

I see no problem doing so, there's 50% performance boost but comparing your 7700K to 11700K there's 20% performance difference, so you'll gain more fps but not as much combined with modern CPU as @04dcarraher mentioned.

Any particular reason for the upgrade?

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#5  Edited By Bluudynuckles
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@gerygo: just like you said its been about 4 years and i want to play more in 4k and also upgrade . so i need to change that 7700k first time i can?

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#6  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@gerygo said:

I see no problem doing so, there's 50% performance boost but comparing your 7700K to 11700K there's 20% performance difference,

There are a lot of cases its much larger than 20% in gaming let alone the fact that you have 2x the physical cores and 2x threads plus having over 30% more IPC with the 11700k vs i7 7700k. As time goes on and once games and games drop the older consoles as the lowest common denominator. We will see higher cpu usage ahead with 8c/16t cpus.

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#7  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@bluudynuckles said:

: just want to play more in 4k and also upgrade . so i need to change that 7700k first time i can?

Your gaming experience will be much better once you do upgrade that 7700k. Because your gpu performance uplift will be not as much it could be. For example with a certain game with the 1080ti you get 40 fps at 4k. You upgrade to a 3080 now you get 55 avg while its an improvement but the gpu could do better with a newer cpu sustaining 65+ avg at 4k.

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You can see there's almost no difference between new CPU to older CPU in 4K - I'd say you're good to go with that upgrade

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@gerygo: @bluudynuckles: Yeah, a good CPU will last longer than many people realize. You might need 8c16t soon if you're the type who buys the latest Assassin's Creed game every year, but you could get by on 4c8t for a while yet otherwise.

Not so say the gearheads are wrong, a 3080 will get noticeably held back eventually. But you'll be good for a while.

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@gerygo said:

You can see there's almost no difference between new CPU to older CPU in 4K - I'd say you're good to go with that upgrade

There is a sizable difference between i7 8700k vs an i7 7700k.... Your talking about 50% more cores and threads. Also most of those games in that video are designed to use eight threads in general because their design to work with the older consoles. In some of the more demanding games in that video also show i7 8700k nearly 50% usage and with the Divison 2 i7 8700k spiked to 73% which would have 7700k at full usage creating stutter and true bottleneck for the 3080. We are also not even considering upcoming games nor even MP gaming which is even more stressful on the cpu.

I highly suggest to upgrade that cpu before or soon after getting that RTX 3080.

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@04dcarraher: easy solution as you've mentioned CPU choking is to get MSI Afterburner with RivaTuner (or Nvidia advanced in game statistics) and see if the CPU is at 100%, if so then yes you should upgrade your CPU.

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#12  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@gerygo said:

@04dcarraher: easy solution as you've mentioned CPU choking is to get MSI Afterburner with RivaTuner (or Nvidia advanced in game statistics) and see if the CPU is at 100%, if so then yes you should upgrade your CPU.

Yep. But I've already seen someone paired a RTX 2080ti with a i7 7700k @ 4.5ghz playing BF5 at 4k MP and cpu usage was always ~95-97% and gpu never even past 95% And he had frame time dips that caused stutter. Also we have to consider what the person is running in the background too. i7 7700k is riding that razor thin line of being inadequate unless the user shuts down everything running.

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#13  Edited By GeryGo  Moderator
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@04dcarraher said:
@gerygo said:

@04dcarraher: easy solution as you've mentioned CPU choking is to get MSI Afterburner with RivaTuner (or Nvidia advanced in game statistics) and see if the CPU is at 100%, if so then yes you should upgrade your CPU.

Yep. But I've already seen someone paired a RTX 2080ti with a i7 7700k @ 4.5ghz playing BF5 at 4k MP and cpu usage was always ~95-97% and gpu never even past 95% And he had frame time dips that caused stutter. Also we have to consider what the person is running in the background too. i7 7700k is riding that razor thin line of being inadequate unless the user shuts down everything running.

BF1 was a sh^tfest of performance for my rig, I bought it for 5$ and I was terribly sorry for doing so.

I guess it depends on the game, most optimized games will run at 40-60% CPU load.

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#14  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@gerygo said:

BF1 was a sh^tfest of performance for my rig, I bought it for 5$ and I was terribly sorry for doing so.

I guess it depends on the game, most optimized games will run at 40-60% CPU load.

With BF1 what were your specs at the time?

With BF MP though there is alot more going on than SP or most other MP games especially with 64MP. Even back then with BF1 the Frostbite engine can use 12 threads. But you need at least 8 threads for smooth experience. I seen a big difference going from an i5 4690k to an i7 8700. Now BF5 can use 16 threads. And the usage shows an i7 5960x 8 core 16 thread BF1 avg usage 44%, BF5 avg usage on same cpu 57%.

Even Call of Duty Warzone can use 16 threads, and it hammers eight thread cpus pretty good even at 4k. i7 7700k with RTX 3080 typically sees 80%+ usage with spikes into the 90's.

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@04dcarraher: i5 4690, 16Gb, GTX970. Singleplayer was okay, but MP worked like sh^t, I did play the beta and it ran fine...

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@gerygo said:

@04dcarraher: i5 4690, 16Gb, GTX970. Singleplayer was okay, but MP worked like sh^t, I did play the beta and it ran fine...

I'm not sure if beta release had "less" graphical options like ultra was actually high settings etc. I remember when I went from a GTX 970 to a GTX 1080 at 1080p with my i5 4690k, my performance didn't change a whole lot. Once I upgraded to that i7 8700 then my fps shot to the moon. I also remember people with i7's actually seen a performance boost from beta to release.

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@04dcarraher said:
@gerygo said:

@04dcarraher: i5 4690, 16Gb, GTX970. Singleplayer was okay, but MP worked like sh^t, I did play the beta and it ran fine...

I'm not sure if beta release had "less" graphical options like ultra was actually high settings etc. I remember when I went from a GTX 970 to a GTX 1080 at 1080p with my i5 4690k, my performance didn't change a whole lot. Once I upgraded to that i7 8700 then my fps shot to the moon. I also remember people with i7's actually seen a performance boost from beta to release.

Might be a title heavy on the CPU, most of them aren't thankfully

There is a performance impact comparing 6700 and 4770K, speeds are almost the same but I guess newer architecture makes it run more efficient for the same clock speeds.

To summarize @bluudynuckles if you've got the money to update your CPU to 11th gen do it because you'll loose some of the GPUs potential in heavy CPU bound games will bottleneck that beast of GPU. If it doesnt bother you and you're okay with that go ahead and buy a newer GPU and maybe later on CPU as well.

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@bluudynuckles: If you are mainly targeting 60fps at higher resolutions with existing games, then the 7700K will be fine with most games. However, if you have a high refresh rate display, the 7700K will be a bottle-neck. It will also be a bottle-neck with next-gen games that push the CPU.

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@BassMan: thankx man , i knew you guys would guide me right

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#20  Edited By BassMan
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@bluudynuckles said:

@BassMan: thankx man , i knew you guys would guide me right

No problem. There is one thing I forgot to mention and it is often overlooked by people.... If you are planning on using ray tracing, it requires a lot more CPU resources to feed the RT cores of the GPU. So, you will find the 7700K to be a bottleneck in those situations as well. So, I do recommend you upgrade the rest of your system, but it will not hurt to throw in a 3080 in your current PC and then swap it into your new system when you choose to upgrade.

Honestly though, If you can not get a 3080 at a decent price (very hard right now), I wouldn't bother upgrading anything at the moment. Your 1080 Ti is still a good card in most situations. I would wait for prices to settle down and then start buying things then.

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#21  Edited By Bluudynuckles
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Ok so i asked you guys if i stick a 3080 ti card in my current set up how would it perform , cause i just got selected on the new egg shuffle and bought a

GIGABYTE Vision GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12GB GDDR6X PCI Express 4.0 ATX Video Card GV-N308TVISION OC-12GD what yaw think yaw or nah??