Why is the i9 10900k so impossible to find?

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#1  Edited By MirkoS77
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Starting to purchase parts for my new build (for MSFS 2020✈️) and for when the new cards hit, and general consensus appears to be that the 10900 is the current best chip for gaming available. But why is this processor so damn difficult to find?

Has Intel stopped production due to Covid? Is it just too much in demand? Only place I can find this thing is on places like ebay and Amazon, typically for $3-500 over MSRP. Im not spending $800+ on it.

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#2 filthyn00b
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Ryzen is a better platform to invest in, pcie 4.0 support and current b450 < pcie 3.0 and b550 and x570 pcie 4.0 < will support ryzen 4000 series cpu's releasing this fall.The platform just has better forward compatibility, plus you get more cores for your money and gaming performance just as good as intel, hell they might slap intels ass in gaming with 4000 cpus later this fall also.

it's athlon 64 vs pentium 4 days all over again, intel's stuck with an outdated architecture and holding onto dear life by a clock speed advantage due to their architecture being refined over 10 generations while amd's only on their 3rd.

soon enough intels clock speed advantage wont help em.

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Zen 3 will decimate Intel. Already better in productivity, the gaming crown is next.

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#4 horgen  Moderator
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@Random_Matt: @filthyn00b: Not really helping here.

@MirkoS77 Must be a local thing. Granted I live in a different country, here many stores lists it available, not sold out. Have you tried contacting any stores?

However speaking of delayed deliveries. I ordered a new PSU in late June. Was supposed to arrive late July, now delayed until early October.

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#5 filthyn00b
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@horgen: im being honest the 10900k is just a bad investment at this point.

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#6 filthyn00b
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lga 1200 aka 10900k platform aka z490 only goes up to 10 cores man, b450,b550,x570 motherboards ryzen socket am4 goes up to 16 cores the 3950x, the 4950x will be out sometime here soon enough and those boards will support it.

im no brand loyal fanboy i've built many intel and amd rigs in my day, im just being honest at this point amd offers the better product this day and age.I support whoever truely offers the better product when it comes to all around features/functions.

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#7  Edited By locus-solus
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It's rumored that ryzen 4000 and intel 11 series desktop cpus will come out this holiday.

if you insist on buying intel you could look into a i9 10850 instead of a i9 10900 probably will be almost as good.

as for the reason it might be hard to find a i9 10900 intel has a cpu shortage their foundry are at max capacity and the 10nm and 7nm delays aren't helping.

Intel is in talks with tsmc to produce some of there silicon discrete gpus/cpus but that is probably at least a year away. also tsmc doesn't see intel as a permanent customer once intel gets there fabs working they will quit using tsmc fabs. tsmc isn't going to make extra capacity for intel.

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#9  Edited By filthyn00b
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and to truely awnser this guys question, 10900k's are hard to get limited stock, it's not because they're selling like hotcakes, it's because intels pushing the absolute limit of an outdated architecture on an outdated manufacturing process and they're having poor yields, meaning not many chips per wafer are actually functional/sellable.

buying an intel product this day and age completely fucking stupid it's like buying a pentium 4 32 bit chip over an athlon 64/bit chip it just makes no sense.

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#10 filthyn00b
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@locus-solus: its confirmed for 2020

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-3-remains-on-track-for-2020

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#11 horgen  Moderator
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@filthyn00b: Intel still beats AMD in single core performance, doesn't it? But then who looks at single core performance these days?

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#12  Edited By filthyn00b
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@horgen: ryzen has superior instructions per clock to intels architecture, the only way intel slightly edges out ryzen in single core is, their clock speed advantage which is due to them refining their architecture for 10 generations while ryzens only on their true 2nd gen ryzen, imagine if amd was on their 10th generation ryzen, they'd completely shit all over intel in everything.

ryzens just cant hit 5 ghz just yet tho, that's the only reason intels slightly edging amd in single core even tho it has inferior ipc.

the clock speed alone is making up for the slightly inferior ipc.

ryzens just better tho man it's more future proof, monolithic architectures are out of date for the most part intels maxing out @ 28 cores and ryzen aka threadripper can do 64 cores, multiple dies connected together is the future and that's what intels moving towards later on.

intel wasnt hitting 5 ghz with their 2nd cpu's either not out of the box atleast, so give ryzen some time, to get those clock speeds up.

most people were getting 4.5 ghz out of intels 2600k's.

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#13  Edited By BassMan
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I had trouble getting my 9900K when it launched too.

@filthyn00b: 10900K is a beast. It is still the best at gaming. As for future upgrade path... by the time he wants to upgrade his CPU again, DDR5/6 and PCIe5 will probably be out and he will need to buy a new MoBo anyway.

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#14  Edited By filthyn00b
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@BassMan: so wut about the 4900x 12 core or 16 core 4950x releasing this year?

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#15 BassMan
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@filthyn00b said:

@BassMan: so wut about the 4900x 12 core or 16 core 4950x releasing this year?

They will probably be good, but they are not out right now.

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#16 filthyn00b
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@BassMan: 3 1/2 months left of 2020 bro which isnt shit

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#17 BassMan
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@filthyn00b said:

@BassMan: 3 1/2 months left of 2020 bro which isnt shit

True, but MS Flight Simulator is out in 2 days. 10900K or 3900X is more than enough for the next few years. Also, we don't know what performance level to expect out of the Ryzen 4000 series. It is not going to be some huge leap anyway.

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#18  Edited By MirkoS77
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Thanks for the feedback all.

I appreciate the advice on AMD guys, but I'm loyal to Intel. Had a bit of a bad experience with AMD in the past and Intel has never done me wrong, and while I hear the Ryzen line is better at productivity, consensus is saying that Intel still reigns supreme in the gaming sector which is what I'm concerned with.

After some consideration, I think I'm just going to hold off until Rocketlake hits with the improvement it affords to NVMe drives, etc with PCIe-4. Seems imprudent at this point to make an entire new build when Intel's next chips are right around the corner plus the new graphics cards are as well. I just know I'll be looking on with envy at the new tech in a few months with a new shiny rig that I'm going to be stuck with for five+ years, at minimum.

Eh, it'll give me some more time to save and allow MSFS to work out the rough edges, evolve a bit, and allow third parties to do their thing.