RTX 4000 Series. Mediocre Launch? Will you get it?

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Poll RTX 4000 Series. Mediocre Launch? Will you get it? (8 votes)

Yes. Will get it. 13%
No way in hell. Prices to high among others. 88%

Seems like an okay launch.

Feel like that as a person that had got a RTX 3090 Founders Edition the price/performance just isn’t there for me. The so-called support for DLSS 3.0 on RX 3000 series will have to be seen in actual performance benchmarks. I feel NVIDIA if they actually wanted could roll out full support for 3000 series with all the benefits but they want people to get a 4000 series. The use of NVIDIA Omniverse RTX Remix to mod old games seems cool. Their demonstration of Morowind a 20 Year Old game I thought was cool. As someone who has a backlog on Steam and non-steam games I am interested to see older games being remodded.

Other than that I though the pricing was ridiculous. I think NVIDIA did a somewhat descent job with the pricing of the last generation but I just don’t see it this generation.

As someone who is coming off a 3090 I don’t see much of an improvement other than a 4090. Prior the difference between 3080 and 3090 was 10 – 15%. Now the difference between 4080 and 4090 seems like 60%. If the 4090 is 90% faster than 3090. The difference between 3090 and 4080 16GB is like 30 – 40% when it fact it should be at least 60% and leave a gap of 30% between 4080 and 4090. This time the gap between 4080 and 4090 seems huge.

Also, we don’t have the same number of CUDA cores between 4080 12 GB and 16GB. Seems like it’s misleading to consumers who might not know better unlike the last generation where all 3080s were the same CUDA Cores.

Seems like they priced it to get rid of older generation.

3090 Ti currently $1100. $100 less than 4080 16GB but has more memory but less performance

3090 currently $1000. $100 more than 4080 12 GB has more memory but less performance.

4080 16GB should really be no more than $900 max and 4080 12 GB should be 4070 priced $700 max. I am being very generous to NVIDIA with their pricing. In reality it should be much less

I switched to NVIDIA for the last 5 years to a Pascal GPU but it seems like they are doing everything they can to protect their margins at the expense of consumers. I like NVIDIAs innovation with Ray Tracing one of the reason I had a 3090 and enjoyed Cyberpunk in all it’s glory with Ray Tracing at 4K with DLSS in Quality mode. One of the best looking games I played and probably one of the best looking game out now if not the best. But these pricing shenanigans it’s getting out of hand. No way in hell shelling another $1500+ to get a 4090. Already my 3090 had to be re-padded because memory got up to 108 C for memory temp, which is insane. Got it reduced by 20C after re-padding. With 4090 consuming 450 Watt it will be even hotter!

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#1  Edited By GeryGo  Moderator
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I'm currently happy with my RX6600 XT

About RTX4000 series, they did show a 2x - 4x times the performance over 3000 series so I would say it's a win even if they've made it around 100-200$ more - you do get twice the upgrade assuming you own a 3000 series.

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#2  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@gerygo said:

I'm currently happy with my RX6600 XT

About RTX4000 series, they did show a 2x - 4x times the performance over 3000 series so I would say it's a win even if they've made it around 100-200$ more - you do get twice the upgrade assuming you own a 3000 series.

Problem is that the 2-4x is all with DLSS 3.0 and RT improvements on select games vs no DLSS used.

The actual raw rasterization performance of the 4090 seems to be around 65% of 3090 class card. DLSS 3.0 is injecting a"guess" frame between one frame rendered and the upcoming frame increasing latency requiring them to rely on Reflex to bring it back down close to about where you be normally without the injection. That's not even considering fast moving reaction type competitive shooters with twitchy like movements. Which will most likely create artifacts/ghosting if it DLSS 3.0 guessed the injected frame incorrectly.

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#3 GeryGo  Moderator
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@04dcarraher: as long as it doesn't look bad and it works better I don't see why people shouldn't use DLSS - assuming you have a really demanding game like Cyberpunk in 4K with RTX on - I guess

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#4 04dcarraher
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@gerygo:

My problem with the 40 launch is that all the "stated"performance gains is relying on a semi artificial paywall feature(DLSS 3.0) that does not and will not always be supported by games from the past present and future. The actual raw performance of these cards do not warrant the price increases.

If the DLSS 3.0 actually performs as it does and does not introduce artifacts and ghosting on fast paced scenes or actions. Then that's fine, used it.