4k gaming on a TV is a scam

I've been doing some research on ultra HD resolutions on big screen TV and I found out that 1080p = 4k res if you're sitting a more than 8ft away, which applies to pretty much everyone. Even someone with perfect 20/20 vision won't be able to see a difference. Heres an article from rtings.com that talks about what our eyes are capable of resolving

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/4k-ultr ... g-compared

Also heres an interesting chart that summarizes what distance you will notice a difference in graphics between 4k and 1080p. Basically 4k gaming on consoles is a BS scam, and only PC gamers will benefit from it. Don't even mention 8k gaming, its just snake oil garbage.

I am 8 ft from my 55" television, so I can see a difference. Its not a game changing difference. There was more of a difference switch to OLED than it was to upgrading to 4K.

Ya, this is BS lol.

Noticed it right away.

4k and HDR make a big difference

@blaznwiipspman1: I am about 6.5 feet from my 55" 4K tv and I notice a difference. There is an app called "Insects" on the XBOX that you can switch on and off 4K and HDR and when you toggle those switches I definitely see the difference.

Funnily enough, I booted up Death Stranding today, and it was running at 1080p. Switched it over and definitely noticed the difference. I sit around 6-7ft from my 55".

i can see the difference.

but if your tv is in a corner of a room and your seating has you and everyone else sitting well over 10 ft then buy a 1080 tv and a smaller 4k tv just for gaming..,a computer desk and chair with a 43-50” uhd tv is ideal

When I rewatched Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, a very old black and white movie, earlier this year, I accidentally played the Blu-ray disc instead of the UHD. Within minutes, I knew something was off. So yeah, even with very old, grainy movies, it's obvious.

Are we seriously having this discussion and using that chart in 2020? This was settled in 2014...

The chart says that if you are sitting 8ft away from a 55 inch TV, you won't notice a difference between 1080p and 4k. Even someone with perfect 20/20 vision won't be able to resolve the pixel difference at that distance. Of course OLED and HDR are big upgrades, but resolution itself isn't such a big deal

Well according to the chart, you notice it because you're 6-7 ft away. Try moving back 7.5 to 8ft and see if you notice a difference.

again, just follow the chart. If you have a 55 inch 4k TV, you won't notice the difference between 1080p if you're around 7.6-8ft away. You're sitting 6.5 ft away from the TV which is within the range.

HDR might make a difference, but 4k won't if you're sitting far enough away. Thats why 4k gaming on consoles doesn't even make sense.

I never understood gamers who wanna game at gotta squint to see distances.

Anyhow, heard something like the screen for optimal viewing should be in center third of your forward facing vision.

Well, yeah, I know. Just saying it as I thought it was funny as I dealt with this today.

Still, this is old-hat news and doesn't make gaming on a 4K TV a scam, as you can notice a difference between 4K and 1080P. Technically, I can see Toronto from where I live on Lake Ontario, but it's obviously gonna be a clearer view as you get closer.

Everybody knows the human eye can't see past 720p 30fps.

It's not a scam, it's a noticeable difference, especially when you factor in 4k tv's have HDR and 1080p tv's do not. The extra resolution + hdr is definitely noticeable.

The "spirit" of that chart is not wrong - your visual acuity can't resolve a certain level of detail (in this case, pixels per inch [NOT pixels]) at a certain distance. But the specific details of the chart are a cartoon and should only be used for rough guidance. Your eyes don't see in "pixels per inch" (or "frames per second" for that matter) and therefore you really can't draw a line like that and assert no difference will be perceptible on one side of the line but as soon as you cross it it will be. That's obviously absurd

okay

I'm about a meter away from my 65'' tv, so according to the chart it's Worth It in my case.

Archangel alt? This thread is comical. Sorry you can't afford a 4K TV, TC.

Old news

http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/

Theres not an exact cut off, but as you gradually move further from the TV, the less detail you will be able to pick up. Eventually you won't be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 4k. Thats what that line means. For the average size tv, lets say around 60 inches, you need to sit within 8ft to really notice any difference at all. Most people don't sit that close, on average most people sit around 8 to 10ft away.

Check out the article above, theres a calculator at the bottom that outputs the same exact information on the chart if you input the size of your TV.

This is why people have been saying for a while that 4k is a scam. Talks about 8k...is a hilarious joke.

I feel bad for your neck lol

its old but true

what a dumb comment...4k tvs sell for like $300 now adays. Stop smoking that crack.

$300 TV's are terrible. Try buying an actual good one and then telling us how you see no difference in 4K and 1080p.

How could you not tell the difference between 1080p/4K at the same distance?I think what the chart is trying to say is you won't notice 'significant downgrade' but it will still be perceivable.

Says the guy who's playing CP2077 at 1080pish in 2020. ROFLMAO!

It will be noticeable to someone whos a PC gamer because they're sitting like a 1.5 feet away from their monitors. But it won't be noticeable for a console gamer that sits 8+ feet away

I'm not talking about anything else except resolution here. Theres all sorts of new technology for tvs like HDR, and OLED thats totally different and will definitely make a difference in picture quality. Resolution won't do anything though, not for the typical console gamer.

@blaznwiipspman1: I understand what the articles are saying - I'm saying don't take the graph too literally. It's a graph meant to help guide consumers to where they will get the most bang for the buck, not a scientifically accurate plot communicating that there is a sudden flip from "visible" to "not visible" difference. Take any point on the X-axis: say - 45" TV. The plot implies there is a sharp transition at 6' feet from "now you see it, now you don't". That's simply not true, and not what the tech gurus who put this stuff together think either. It's rule of thumb type thing, and the human eye is more complicated than that graph implies.

As an example: our nervous system resolves additional detail from motion. It's kind of like... temporal anti-aliasing in a way. Our eyes constantly move on their own (called microsaccades) to resample the image and help resolve the image in front of us in detail, but likewise motion in the image itself gives our brains clues about where edges and details are as well. We just do not see in pixels/inch like this graph is implying

OP reminds me of those xbox one guys who said 720p was fine....remember those guys they were all over system wars? Remember Shadows of Mordor was 1080p on ps4 and 720p on xb1 and xbox guys were saying you can't see any difference its all good.

Dude...just stop man why wouldn't you want a clearer picture?

Why wouldn't you want to get full value out of your TV or monitors resolution why settle for less doesn't make any sense right well to OP doesn't think you need it.

Why wouldn't you want to have more easy to read text and sharper images.

Why screw yourself over thats a question I asked xb1 owners all the time why? They never gave me an answer people like archangel on here people like ip daily people like severus or whatever his name is.

Higher resolution = better thats just a fact.

If I'm on YouTube I put the video on the highest resolution I can put it at. I don't tell myself ya know i'll just 720p since I can't see the difference no I set it 4k and watch it and I love it and thats the end of it.

Nothing gonna change my mind about this if im downloading a video do you think d/l 720p and save some space or do i go 4k. Guess what I go 4k I don't care about space I care about image quality before anything else OP doesn't give a crap about anything.

When I switch from 3440x1440p to the 1080p i notice instantly and instantly switch back to my full resolution.

Resolution is my first thing that I want most out my games. GTA 5 max res is all I care about first, next thing is my frames then I turn down some graphic settings. The OP doesn't care about res which is weird to me cuz its the first thing I care about! It's definitely the first thing I notice when I'm playing a game and switching between res's is the best on my eyes for me personally.

Resolution has always been at my forefront even in my past games like starcraft or diablo 2 first thing I do is loadup the game go to settings turn resolution the highest it can go graphics and frames be damned I need to have a clear screen I don't make any sacrifices for full resolution.

OP I don't get you dude but I wish you luck in your future at 720p enjoy your low res picture quality cause you say you can't tell a difference. Thats on you man.

@blaznwiipspman1: Agree, been saying this for years.

Higher polygon counts/more detailed textures result in better image quality than simply jumping up in resolutions imo.

To some extent I think it's accurate. Especially if the game is using dynamic resolution which most games on consoles use. Seeing the differences between a game running the same assets at 1200p vs 4k isn't really that easy. If the game goes up to native 4k but lowers the graphical settings, then that's easier to notice.

If the Series S could do the same as the X but at a constant 1080p, then it would be hard for most people to notice. But when the settings are lowered as well, the game looks completely different at times.

It's also worth noting that a TV that is made for 4K can look terrible at lower native resolutions, worse than on a older 1080p TV, which is why the TV upscales the content. But in game mode it doesn't upscale the content. A good 1080p TV can look as good as a 4k TV in game mode if the game doesn't reach 4k native anyways. HDR and good contrast is more important than pure resolution.

lol, so many people are unaware of the wonders of HRD.

There's definitely much more aliasing on 1080p, anyone not going blind should notice.

What people need to realize is that there is a difference between noticing level of detail and noticing your display upscaling/downscaling content.

@blaznwiipspman1: Nah, this thread is silly. 4k is absolutely noticeable

Every generation. I'm surprised we haven't seen any "The human eye can't see 30fps vs 60fs" threads.

6ft from a 55in 4K tv and I totally see the difference. Switched from a 50in 1080p, complete game changer.

Another derpty derp thread.

I'm 3 ft from my 55" 4k. The 82" 1080p TV is my living room looks like ass and im replacing it with an 8k.

Sorry you have bad eyesight.

Eh, saw this a lot early on, when people were buying all these overpriced sets and the 4k content wasn't even there yet. Even then, was more about just not being worth it at the time rather than "scam".

For gaming specifically, was more about how it's just not worth the trade offs. Was especially dumb seeing consoles chase 4k when they still couldn't nail 1080p with good performance.

Anyways, Xantus posts nail it.

Aside from that, can just see the difference with your own eyes, easily noticeable.

While it is true you will notice a difference in 4K over 1080P at 6 feet on a 55" screen, that is because television manufacturers largely deny gamers the best resolution for gaming, 1440P. If you found a chart that compared the size per pixel of a 1440P screen to the others, you'll find that you'll notice no difference between it and 4K sitting 6 feet from your television until you got to about 70" screen size. Likewise for a desktop monitor sitting 30 inches away, you won't notice a difference between 1440P and 4K until you got above 32".

As gamers, you should be demanding more 1440P support for whatever console you play and whatever you play them on, because 4K isn't going to add any improvements over 1440P, but what it will do is drastically reduce your frame rates and give you an overall less sharp, and WORSE picture than 1440P once you introduce the motion blur from the lower frame rates that go with 4K.

Nothing stops anyone from hooking up a next gen console to a proper gaming monitor, but if your intention is to play them on a living room television you should do so with the understanding that you won't be getting the best experience possible for gaming. But, then again if you wanted the best experience for gaming you wouldn't be buying a console in the first place.

And if 4K is completely useless when compared to 1440P, just wait until everyone owns a 4K and TV manufacturers have to start pushing 8K as "upgrades."

Absolute BS.

I sit 3 feet away from my 2020 50” 4K Tv, 1080p vs 4K is night and day regardless of how far/close you sit.

IT.IS.NIGHT.AND.DAY.

This sounds like one of those "the human eye can't see faster than 25 FPS" kind of things and people are like "30 FPS is fine! Any faster is a waste"

No, 30 fps is not fine, and yes, you do notice a difference.

Nobody said humans cannot notice a difference past 25fps. I personally notice a difference up to 120fps, but nothing past that. And I have gamed on various monitors of various resolutions at various frame rates up to 165. There's no noticeable difference between 2K and 4K on a 32" or smaller monitor sitting 30 inches from it just as there wouldn't be on screens 65" and under from 6 feet away from it.

There's actually a test you can do yourself to see if the resolution of your screen is high enough or too low for the screen size from where you are viewing it. That is, create an image of the same resolution as your screen, pick two contrasting colors, like black and white, and alternate colors every single pixel and then make that image full screen. If you can actually see the black and white dots, the resolution is too low, however if it appears as a uniform gray image, then the individual pixels are too small to notice differences between them, and more pixels per inch won't make a difference.

4K 27" monitor at half metre is overkill then?