Digital Foundry finally about XSX TF advantage: "It's kinda all blowing up in the face of Xbox Series X vs PS5"

Digital Foundry finally admitted what we all know : XSX TF advantage is useless against PS5

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Dunno, sounds to me like they were talking about using that TF advantage as a marketing tool.

Reminds me of how Sony touts the PS5 as the 8K gaming machine.

Imagine bragging about the 'power' of a $400 budget PC 🫤🤣

But PS5 is the only console which has an 8K game

Yes, as Xbox did the same too. Power your dreams i guess

@loudheadphones:What game on PS5 is outputting 8k?🤔

Internal resolution of the Tourist

Mark Cerny was right after all 🤷‍♂️

@loudheadphones: show us where the 8K is on the PS5 packaging 😎

Inb4 the lems become very “concerned “

Just another bad weeek for the almighty powerful paper weight ever created (Xbsex)

For sure they did. But to be fair they were upfront about using TFs as a measure of power early on but they weren't very vocal about it. They always gave themselves an out by calling the Series X more powerful "on paper." Then proceeded to compare it to the latest RTX cards at the time lol.

There is at least one title that actually runs at 8K on PS5. But yeah it's kinda dumb that Sony and MS market these consoles with 8K.

power of your dreams...\ok that was good

@loudheadphones said:

@kvallyx said:

Reminds me of how Sony touts the PS5 as the 8K gaming machine.

But PS5 is the only console which has an 8K game

Yes, as Xbox did the same too. Power your dreams i guess

Well, the numbers do not lie.

Better architecture/tools > Higher teraflops

See also:

Every PS5 Game That Outperforms The Xbox Series X Version

• Assassin’s Creed Valhalla (PS5 boasts locked 1440p resolution in Performance Mode whereas Xbox Series X drops as low as 1188p)
• Battlefield 2042 (PS5 outperforms Xbox Series X with much more consistent frame rate)
• Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War (In 120 FPS mode, the PS5 version sticks far closer to that target, with Xbox Series X dropping as many as ten frames more)
• Call of Duty: Warzone 2.0 (PS5 version holds 120 FPS much more reliably than the Xbox Series X version)
• Call of the Sea (Improved resolution and framerate, better shadow quality and loading times)
• Control: Ultimate Edition (More stable frame rate in both graphics and performance modes)
• DiRT 5 (Better filtering and texture detail in Image Quality Mode. Much higher level of detail in 120 FPS Mode)
• Far Cry 5 (60 FPS patch holds framerate much more reliably on PS5 than on Xbox Series X)
• Ghostrunner (120 FPS and RT modes both have much more consistent performance on PS5 compared to Xbox Series X)
• Ghostwire Tokyo (Xbox Series X version runs at lower framerate than PS5 version across all visual modes)
• Greedfall (Sticks much closer to 60 FPS on PS5 than on Xbox Series X)
• Gotham Knights (On latest patch, PS5 version runs consistently smoother than the Xbox Series X version)
• Hogwarts Legacy (PS5 version hits 60 FPS in performance mode much more reliably than Xbox Series X does)
• Immortals Fenyx Rising (PS5 has a locked 4K native resolution compared to the dynamic 4K seen on Xbox Series X in Resolution Mode)
• MLB The Show 21 (PS5 has a clear framerate advantage at the same resolution over Xbox Series X)
• Monster Hunter Rise (PS5 version outperforms the Xbox Series X version running at 120 FPS)
• NBA 2K21 (Xbox Series X version suffers minor performance dips when compared to PS5)
• Need For Speed Unbound (Holds 60 FPS much better than Xbox Series X)
• Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit Remastered (Xbox Series X framerate is nowhere near as consistent as PS5)
• Phoenix Point: Behemoth Edition (PS5 maintains 4K at 60 FPS, whereas Xbox Series X renders 4K at a maximum of 50 FPS)
• Resident Evil 4 (PS5 runs at 60 FPS more consistently in performance mode with ray tracing enabled than Xbox Series X)
• Scarlet Nexus (Sticks to 60 FPS more closely on PS5)
• Shadow of the Tomb Raider (Though resolution is slightly lower on PS5, the framerate sticks much closer to 60 FPS whereas Xbox Series X drops far more often)
• The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Anniversary Edition (Runs at native 4K compared to dynamic 4K on Xbox Series X and loads almost twice as fast)
• The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition (Maintains 60 FPS much more consistently than Xbox Series X with 60 FPS mod applied)
• The Touryst (Supports 60 FPS at 8K – Xbox Series X runs 60 FPS at 6K and has poorer depth of field)
• The Witcher 3: Complete Edition (Has a longer draw distance than Xbox Series X version in both RT and performance modes)
• Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 1 + 2 (PS5 version has faster loading times than Xbox Series X version)
• Wreckfest (PS5 version maintains 60 frames per second without tearing compared to Xbox Series X version which drops frames and has tearing)

Well, shit, there's a reason the XBX is getting beat 2:1 by the PS5.

Having played both thoroughly there is little to no difference in the vast majority of games.

It doesn't output 8K. Self ownage approved.😂

The worst part of it all is that Microsoft has no talent to take advantage of those 12tflops. This is such cringe. You sell your system on those 12tflops, but forget the fact that none of your devs are able to offer titles that uses it.

No wonder Xbox fans are this frustrated. You have 12tflops, but your two big titles of this generation is Halo Infinite, a game that looks like its from 2010, and Redfall, a title that looks like its straight up from the launch of the 360's lineup. Its miserable. God its so pathetic.

@Pedro: ooff cows are rekkd

It don't matter many of the 3rd party devs aren't capable of using the true power of the Xbox series X, and many of the reasons are economics. Devs put effort into things based on which console will sell the most games. Xbox gamers don't really buy 3rd party games all that much, we got gamepass and the amount of games on it are staggering. The poor cows have no games and their subscription service is trash. Ps5 gamers are the ones buying these 3rd party games. Ps5 also uses specific software while Xbox uses direct x that is more related to the pc than anything else. Devs don't optimize the pc version, because again money.

With that said, Xbox has a ton of first party games that show what the console is capable of. Games like fh5 and msfs20 aren't possible on the weak ps5.

Is it different than Sony touting the SSD as the second coming when quite a few games load faster on the Series consoles? Also, anyone expecting some huge difference between the two with the GPU's being so similar was fooling themselves.

What's MS gonna do when the 20 TF PS5 Pro comes out? They can no longer brag about having the most powerful console in the universe. How many devs are gonna wanna make their game run on a 4 TF console with limited RAM when there's a 10, 12 and possibly 20 TF consoles out?

Don't blame me what DF said. Internal resolution counts

Both consoles have it. But just one have 8K game. 8K on PS5 is on front, 8K on XSX package is described as MAIN feature alongside with others ( VRR, VELOCITY ARCHITECTURE etc.)

Not my fault your own facts owned you.😂

Looks like DF owned you with clear facts. Not accepting facts and you still being delusional. Don't blame me if PS5 has an 8K game

Your own words and DF stated that the game does not output 8K. Now spin.🤭

When was Redfall a "big title of the generation"? It was just a game getting released that got a marketing push from MS.

See your not used to a company backing their products. See how Sony just dumped GT7 and Horizon FW on to the market like they were worthless toilet paper? Horizon didn't know what to do against Elden Ring. GT7, nine years in the making... And THAT'S the marketing push Sony gave it? I thought it was going to be a Summer blockbuster. Sony just took a laxative and shat it out. Sony had three big AAA games last year and instead of spacing them out and pushing them, two of them they just released with complete contempt.

Also funny you say there no talent, when it was MSs "no talent" that scored the first 10 of the gen with Deathloop. GT7 and Horizon FW scored an 8. And Sony are just constantly re-releasing TLOU. "Ah Sony... Dripping with talent". And when they do make something new and unique like Returnal, no cow buys it. :-S

The is so bad that you're trying your best to distance yourself from it? That is sad, real sad.

As an Arkane fan, owner of a XSX and Gamepass subscriber, I think it's really bad that they let one of their best developers in the shit like that. Checking what's going on with one of your more talented teams it's pretty elementar. Like, protect your value.

Maybe it was a question of bad timing and scale. Still sucks and I can't defend it.

@loudheadphones:

You know what's not useless? Starfield and ES6 skipping PS5 and CoD on Game Pass.

Suck on that for a while.

@st_monica: Wow. You gotta lof free time in your hands, bro...

I'll just reply with "not every game". Some perform better on PS5, some on XSX.

@dabear: Oh, the list is just a quote from the article titled "Every PS5 Game That Outperforms The Xbox Series X Version".

https://www.psu.com/news/guide-every-ps5-game-that-outperforms-the-xbox-series-x-version/

It doesn't mean every PS5 game, it means a list of every PS5 game that outperforms the XSX version.

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PS5 vs XSX is almost like a reverse PS3 vs X360.

Being more powerful on paper doesn't always translate to being more powerful in practice. A well-designed architecture and better development tools matter more than raw power.

It also doesn't help that the Series X is being held back by the Series S.

What game on the Series X was compromised because of the Series S?

@Pedro:

These games:

@Jag85: How?

The only big games coming from MS right now is Forza Motorsport and Starfield.

You know what's NOT coming? BG3, the 2023 GOTY and one of the best rpg's to date. Sad.

No shot Baulders Gate 3 will be GOTY up against Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom and Starfield.

We both know BG3 offers way more, and is a more impressive game all around than the other two. Of course totk has the highest chance because milennials must vote for a franchise from their childhood, but BG3 is the kind of games that Nintendo isn't even capable of producing, its on another level.

And Baulders Gate isn't a franchise from peoples childhoods? :-S

No, only a few nerds that used to play magic. You can't compare BG to Zelda.

Nooo, don't put BG3 down. :-(

I don't know about that 20 TF rumor. Wouldn't a console like that cost a fortune? I had rather see a PS5 slim.

It might be possible but they will have to account for power consumption and price. These two things will limit the eventual ps5 pro. I don't think the ps5 pro will be more than 2 times more powerful than the ps5. I wouldn't be surprised either if it used a lot of the same components as the ps5 to limiting it's potential in terms of things like RT.

There's always a battle between price, power/cooling requirements. Sony will not create a console to lose money with every unit sold, minimum is to break even. Right there will limit what they will throw in it. Next the one rumored spec saying 20gb GDDR6X with 780gb/s 320bit is bull crap, cause 320bit bus with 20Gbp/s GDDR6 gets 800GB/s.

Now a 20 TFLOP based RDNA 3 is possible, that puts the gpu's compute in the range of RX 7600 which can do 21 TFLOPS. What brings down RX 7600 is all slimming down AMD did, memory bandwidth, RT cores, etc. So if Sony beefs up memory and RT etc it will do well enough to be a sub 200w gpu that could be quite a bit faster than PS5 especially with RT.

Now on to using Zen 4 is doubtful IMO, I think what they will do is keep the Zen 2 but increase clock rates a bit higher and increase the onboard L3 cache. Because in PS5 its Zen 2 with only 8mb of L3. If they increase that 32 or even 64mb would increase its performance quite a bit.

BG3, on Microsoft Windows PC, is awesome. It's the definitive way to play!

@kvallyx: When the Xbox brand is nothing but a subscription service, you'll have enough time to hide behind PC to look half relevant. The future is grim.