GSD: Xbox sales in complete freefall in Europe with a -47% drop in February, Helldivers 2 no. 1 with a bullet

@BenjaminBanklin:

No, no, no, he's saying it's not 1st party is all. :P

But it is 1st party if the platform holder owns the IP, no matter who develops it.

Nah, was never understood that way in SW.

For instance, Gears did not become 1st party until The Coalition became the dev. :P

System Wars is pretty dumb sometimes, Gears was 1st party the day MS bought the IP from Epic.

Yes, it is. Sony owns the Helldivers IP, not Arrowhead. It's a first party game. Learn to deal with facts.

exactly. its a 2nd party title.

@kvallyx No, its a 2nd party game at best.

Fully funded, owned IP and published by a platforms holder is a 1st party game. This is 100% fact. Same as Bloodborne or The Order 1886, a 1st party games. So, Helldivers 2 is a Sony's 1st party game. And Stellar Blade also.

So, still some peeps still haven't learned that 2nd party actually doesn't exists. It is a made up term by some game enthusiast. It is only 1st party and 3rd party. 2nd party more or less a term coined by video game magazines back in the day who didn't really understand the relationships that publishers had with independent developers

Yes. Thanks to Gamepass.

No, it's a 2nd party game.

Bro, I have been in these forums for over 20 years. I think I know what 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party games are, k?

I actually agree with him. I don't think you understand what 1st party is. Helldivers 2 is so 1st party that some might even call this title as 0party, which means that this game is incredibly close to the core spirit of the playstation brand.

I'm on forums over 20+ years when i've had a dial up internet and 2nd party is made up term. I've used it too. But it is made up term. Helldivers 1, 2, Stellar Blade, Bloodborne, The Order 1886 and similar are all 1st party games. As Insomniac leak provided Sony 1st party game sales and Bloodborne , Returnal ( released before Housemarque acquired ) and Until Dawn were there, so, 1st party game sales.

@hardwenzen: I think you just want to argue with me.

It's a 2nd party game.

You don't get to change the terminology to try and explain away why Sony has a 1st party game drought.

The game is not made by a Sony studio. It cannot be a "1st party" game if it's not made by SONY.

I do not want to argue with you, but i do want to correct you as often as i can. And after the success of Helldivers2, this studio is guaranteed to be acquired by Sony, so don't even dream of ever having this kind of games on your Xbox.

@hardwenzen: Well, if Sony buys them, THEN it will be a 1st party game.

Why play games like that? They've most certainly already signed the acquisition, its just that its not public yet. There is no reason to be in denial, its a Sony developer you want it or not.

This is true.

"2nd party" is a term made up for contracted work, it's not an actual thing. If the company owns the IP, it's a first party game, period. Even the studios that are owned by the platform holders have to contract to outside studios to help complete their games. All AAA games are "2nd party" in that sense.

The developers of these games do not own them. Period.

So, second party.🤭

Oh look, it's the "developer" who knows jack all about game development chiming in

I see that I being a developer still gets you all

@BenjaminBanklin: LOL, no