new leak about ps4. 14 cu's is recommended balance, not 18 cu's

looks like the system is balanced for 14 cu's. Kinda kills Tormentos since he kept touting 18 cu's all for rendering, but this slide shows otherwise. Dat Jaguar bottleneck is real I guess. Here is the link

http://www.vgleaks.com/playstation-4-balanced-or-unbalanced/

4 cu's equate to 410 flops according to slide.

why are you so obsess with Playstation so much? Nengo_Flow

This is a pretty substantial leak. Read the slide, all that talk about 18 cu's used for rendering and how much power you would get by Tormentos has been put into question. After 14 cu's you get minor improvements, proof is in the pudding. diminishing returns which MSFT has said are actually real were laughed off. Now this is a SONY slide basically pointing to the same thing. Sorry, cows will be dcing for sure.

Don't know what this means, but looking forward to all the lies being squashed in the lead up to the launch.

Never trust Sony.

First, understand that the slide you posted (which this topic wasn't TOTALLY just ripped from NeoGAF, btw) has been available for months from VG Leaks, and was written during an era when the PS4 actually contained 4gb of GDDR5; 2012. I think we can all say that something changed since then. ;)

...dated 2012?

Didn't read, but still considerably more powerful than Xflop.

Kinda kills Tormentos since he kept touting 18 cu's all for rendering, but this slide shows otherwise. XBOunity

First, understand that the slide you posted (which this topic wasn't TOTALLY just ripped from NeoGAF, btw) has been available for months from VG Leaks, and was written during an era when the PS4 actually contained 4gb of GDDR5; 2012. I think we can all say that something changed since then. ;)

Shensolidus

neogaf is a pro sony site. And you are a pro sony fan. This slide says it as clear as day. after 14 cu's you get minor improvement. Its the same diminishing returns that Microsoft has talked about, and that was mentioned for either the boost in the GPU clock or adding the 14 cu's where they saw more of a improvement on the clock even tho the numbers for flops would point to the cu's. Try and spin it all you want.

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]why are you so obsess with Playstation so much? XBOunity

This is a pretty substantial leak. Read the slide, all that talk about 18 cu's used for rendering and how much power you would get by Tormentos has been put into question. After 14 cu's you get minor improvements, proof is in the pudding. diminishing returns which MSFT has said are actually real were laughed off. Now this is a SONY slide basically pointing to the same thing. Sorry, cows will be dcing for sure.

Thats a bit disappointing

Did you hear the news about the XB1? There are no hard numbers for now... but people working with the system have confirmed that different processes are working in the background thus reducing the amount of resources to run games. Who knows how substantial it'll be, but still not good news.

First, understand that the slide you posted (which this topic wasn't TOTALLY just ripped from NeoGAF, btw) has been available for months from VG Leaks, and was written during an era when the PS4 actually contained 4gb of GDDR5; 2012. I think we can all say that something changed since then. ;)

Shensolidus

Yep was just about to drop this...some good infogranddogg

yeah, I think if anything it just adds to the talk out there that after 14 cu's you dont get the same performance. The CPU is bottlenecking it I guess. im sure the other 4 cu's will be used for other tasks like Audio etc.

[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]

First, understand that the slide you posted (which this topic wasn't TOTALLY just ripped from NeoGAF, btw) has been available for months from VG Leaks, and was written during an era when the PS4 actually contained 4gb of GDDR5; 2012. I think we can all say that something changed since then. ;)

Chutebox

if you only knew what you were talking about. lol the slides say it all. try reading the article instead of invading the thread. ((((Chute))))))

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Shensolidus"]

First, understand that the slide you posted (which this topic wasn't TOTALLY just ripped from NeoGAF, btw) has been available for months from VG Leaks, and was written during an era when the PS4 actually contained 4gb of GDDR5; 2012. I think we can all say that something changed since then. ;)

XBOunity

if you only knew what you were talking about. lol the slides say it all. try reading the article instead of invading the thread. ((((Chute))))))

[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]

First, understand that the slide you posted (which this topic wasn't TOTALLY just ripped from NeoGAF, btw) has been available for months from VG Leaks, and was written during an era when the PS4 actually contained 4gb of GDDR5; 2012. I think we can all say that something changed since then. ;)

XBOunity

neogaf is a pro sony site. And you are a pro sony fan. This slide says it as clear as day. after 14 cu's you get minor improvement. Its the same diminishing returns that Microsoft has talked about, and that was mentioned for either the boost in the GPU clock or adding the 14 cu's where they saw more of a improvement on the clock even tho the numbers for flops would point to the cu's. Try and spin it all you want.

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]why are you so obsess with Playstation so much? moistsandwich

This is a pretty substantial leak. Read the slide, all that talk about 18 cu's used for rendering and how much power you would get by Tormentos has been put into question. After 14 cu's you get minor improvements, proof is in the pudding. diminishing returns which MSFT has said are actually real were laughed off. Now this is a SONY slide basically pointing to the same thing. Sorry, cows will be dcing for sure.

Thats a bit disappointing

Did you hear the news about the XB1? There are no hard numbers for now... but people working with the system have confirmed that different processes are working in the background thus reducing the amount of resources to run games. Who knows how substantial it'll be, but still not good news.

im not saying that the ps4 isnt more powerful than the XBO. it just seems that cows are unrealistic when it comes to the ps4. anything that suggests otherwise than full potential full usage of hardware is met with absolute craze saying otherwise. just look at neogaf right now, trying sooooo hard they are.

Lol at the 2012 date of the slide

and

"We understand that Sony found that using 4 CUs in GPGPU tasks can be more efficient and with better overall results than using all of them for rendering tasks, but they dont stop developers to use them only for rendering or GPGPU, as they wish depending on the game demands. Its not mandatory at all. Sony is only providing more resources to the developers."

from the article.

Jaguar is crap even MS knows this and is probably why they highered the clock on it.

The "balanced" part does say 14 CUs + 4 for compute.

dude, they are just comparing the decision of Sony adding 4 more CUs to MS disabling some of them to increase the mhz. You gotta love this self ownage. :lol:

Jaguar is crap even MS knows this and is probably why they highered the clock on it.

Deevoshun

i dont get why they both went with this cpu to be honest.

Jaguar is crap even MS knows this and is probably why they highered the clock on it.

Deevoshun

You don't need a dedicated CPU for console gaming - the GPU does all the work.

All the CPU will do is load the game into the shared RAM for the GPU shell to handle.

On these consoles, the CPU is used more for UI and non-gaming stuff like streaming, DVR, decompression, etc... the actual game processing will be done with the GPUs.

Lol at the 2012 date of the slide

 

and

 

"We understand that Sony found that using 4 CUs in GPGPU tasks can be more efficient and with better overall results than using all of them for rendering tasks, but they dont stop developers to use them only for rendering or GPGPU, as they wish depending on the game demands. Its not mandatory at all. Sony is only providing more resources to the developers."

 

from the article.

NEWMAHAY

This would have been before the GPU had 8GBs to address.

The "balanced" part does say 14 CUs + 4 for compute.

MlauTheDaft

yes also says minor improvements after 14 cu's, probably due to the bottleneck of CPU, will see a minor improvement. Basically you can still use 18 cu's for rendering, but you are gonna see a drop after 14 cu's, which is what microsoft has suggested. This slide just shows it clear as day. Now you will have cows try and muddy the waters, and try to be alot of confusion, but this is SONYS slide. Neogaf is in a state of panic right now and its laughable, calling ekim all types of names and insinuating all kinds of things. proofs in the pudding.

This would have been before the GPU had 8GBs to address.

Shewgenja

lol muddy the waters and try hard. i think thats a stretch on your part. I do believe in that CPU being a bottleneck. they do exist ya know.

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

The "balanced" part does say 14 CUs + 4 for compute.

XBOunity

yes also says minor improvements after 14 cu's, probably due to the bottleneck of CPU, will see a minor improvement. Basically you can still use 18 cu's for rendering, but you are gonna see a drop after 14 cu's, which is what microsoft has suggested. This slide just shows it clear as day. Now you will have cows try and muddy the waters, and try to be alot of confusion, but this is SONYS slide. Neogaf is in a state of panic right now and its laughable, calling ekim all types of names and insinuating all kinds of things. proofs in the pudding.

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]

Lol at the 2012 date of the slide

and

"We understand that Sony found that using 4 CUs in GPGPU tasks can be more efficient and with better overall results than using all of them for rendering tasks, but they dont stop developers to use them only for rendering or GPGPU, as they wish depending on the game demands. Its not mandatory at all. Sony is only providing more resources to the developers."

from the article.

Chutebox

after 14 cu's you see a drop, just like microsoft suggested, ouch, chute try and know what you are even debating. [((((((chute))))))))

[QUOTE="Deevoshun"]

Jaguar is crap even MS knows this and is probably why they highered the clock on it.

Netherscourge

You don't need a dedicated CPU for console gaming - the GPU does all the work.

All the CPU will do is load the game into the shared RAM for the GPU shell to handle.

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

The "balanced" part does say 14 CUs + 4 for compute.

Chutebox

yes also says minor improvements after 14 cu's, probably due to the bottleneck of CPU, will see a minor improvement. Basically you can still use 18 cu's for rendering, but you are gonna see a drop after 14 cu's, which is what microsoft has suggested. This slide just shows it clear as day. Now you will have cows try and muddy the waters, and try to be alot of confusion, but this is SONYS slide. Neogaf is in a state of panic right now and its laughable, calling ekim all types of names and insinuating all kinds of things. proofs in the pudding.

proof is in the slides buddy, i see people stretching for 8 gigs of ram even tho that was never the bottleneck. Minor improvements after 14 cu's.. what did the killzone devs diary show??? 14 cu's being used?

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

[QUOTE="Deevoshun"]

Jaguar is crap even MS knows this and is probably why they highered the clock on it.

Deevoshun

You don't need a dedicated CPU for console gaming - the GPU does all the work.

All the CPU will do is load the game into the shared RAM for the GPU shell to handle.

at least you get it, and actually believe this weak cpu can be a bottleneck. i wish i could throw these theories at my rig when i dont get the performance i want because of bottlenecks even tho i have a 400 dollar GPU. lol

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]

Lol at the 2012 date of the slide

and

"We understand that Sony found that using 4 CUs in GPGPU tasks can be more efficient and with better overall results than using all of them for rendering tasks, but they dont stop developers to use them only for rendering or GPGPU, as they wish depending on the game demands. Its not mandatory at all. Sony is only providing more resources to the developers."

from the article.

XBOunity

after 14 cu's you see a drop, just like microsoft suggested, ouch, chute try and know what you are even debating. [((((((chute))))))))

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Ouch, another hit for PNF.Chutebox

after 14 cu's you see a drop, just like microsoft suggested, ouch, chute try and know what you are even debating. [((((((chute))))))))

chute you dont even know what you are arguing. lol. you dont even know what a bottleneck is judging by these replies.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]

Lol at the 2012 date of the slide

and

"We understand that Sony found that using 4 CUs in GPGPU tasks can be more efficient and with better overall results than using all of them for rendering tasks, but they dont stop developers to use them only for rendering or GPGPU, as they wish depending on the game demands. Its not mandatory at all. Sony is only providing more resources to the developers."

from the article.

XBOunity

after 14 cu's you see a drop, just like microsoft suggested, ouch, chute try and know what you are even debating. [((((((chute))))))))

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

This would have been before the GPU had 8GBs to address.

XBOunity

lol muddy the waters and try hard. i think thats a stretch on your part. I do believe in that CPU being a bottleneck. they do exist ya know.

The CPU is not a bottleneck on a PS4, since the PS4 runs games on a GPU shell and allows low-level API access; similar to what AMD is implementing in PC GPUs in their Mantel initiative. Skipping right over OpenGL/DirectX and going straight into the GPU chipset itself.

If anything, the XB1's CPU will be a bottleneck since it's running on a Windows 8 Kernel and will require DirectX API access to the GPU for game processing.

I don't think many people have realized this yet. Microsoft has, which is why they tried to boost their Jaguar's CPU clock a little to compensate. And then there's all that Kinect stuff that's gotta be processed eating up CPU cycles.

Bottom line: The XB1 is more dependant on it's CPU than the PS4 is.

But hey, keep ignoring the facts and dig up more slides from 2012 if it makes you happy.

;)

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="XBOunity"]

after 14 cu's you see a drop, just like microsoft suggested, ouch, chute try and know what you are even debating. [((((((chute))))))))

XBOunity

chute you dont even know what you are arguing. lol. you dont even know what a bottleneck is judging by these replies.

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

This would have been before the GPU had 8GBs to address.

Netherscourge

lol muddy the waters and try hard. i think thats a stretch on your part. I do believe in that CPU being a bottleneck. they do exist ya know.

The CPU is not a bottleneck on a PS4, since the PS4 runs games on a GPU shell and allows low-level API access; similar to what AMD is implementing in PC GPUs in their Mantel initiative. Skipping right over OpenGL/DirectX and going straight into the GPU chipset itself.

If anything, the XB1's CPU will be a bottleneck since it's running on a Windows 8 Kernel and will require DirectX API access to the GPU for game processing.

I don't think many people have realized this yet. Microsoft has, which is why they tried to boost their Jaguar's CPU clock a little to compensate. And then there's all that Kinect stuff that's gotta be processed eating up CPU cycles.

Bottom line: The XB1 is more dependant on it's CPU than the PS4 is.

But hey, keep ignoring the facts and dig up more slides from 2012 if it makes you happy.

;)

It's what he does.

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Ouch, another hit for PNF.Jakandsigz

after 14 cu's you see a drop, just like microsoft suggested, ouch, chute try and know what you are even debating. [((((((chute))))))))

yep. Dont think much has changed, this is a slide from sony. 14 cu's is recommended for rendering, not 18 like tormentos was saying. lol wonder where that guy is lol that unlimited tap of powah shot to death by Sony themselves. I believe this slide is new, thats why the article and thats why neogaf is crashing with DC. alot of egg on the face on alot of people over there. I guess Microsoft does know what they are doing afterall and them saying you dont get much performance gain from 12 cu's to 14 cu's is real as well. on paper would suggest that the 2 cu's for rendering would do alot better than a 53 mhz gpu boost, the tests showed otherwise. its dat cpu bottleneck at work. These things are real my friend. untappped powah of ps4 :lol:

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

This would have been before the GPU had 8GBs to address.

Netherscourge

lol muddy the waters and try hard. i think thats a stretch on your part. I do believe in that CPU being a bottleneck. they do exist ya know.

The CPU is not a bottleneck on a PS4, since the PS4 runs games on a GPU shell and allows low-level API access; similar to what AMD is implementing in PC GPUs in their Mantel initiative. Skipping right over OpenGL/DirectX and going straight into the GPU chipset itself.

If anything, the XB1's CPU will be a bottleneck since it's running on a Windows 8 Kernel and will require DirectX API access to the GPU for game processing.

I don't think many people have realized this yet. Microsoft has, which is why they tried to boost their Jaguar's CPU clock a little to compensate. And then there's all that Kinect stuff that's gotta be processed eating up CPU cycles.

Bottom line: The XB1 is more dependant on it's CPU than the PS4 is.

But hey, keep ignoring the facts and dig up more slides from 2012 if it makes you happy.

;)

oh you have done testing on this? would agree with you if the new vgleak didnt say otherwise. also didnt killzone dev diary for shadowfall show only 14 cu's in use suggested by Digital foundry? or they are fanboys too ? Just wondering.

looks like the system is balanced for 14 cu's. Kinda kills Tormentos since he kept touting 18 cu's all for rendering, but this slide shows otherwise. Dat Jaguar bottleneck is real I guess. Here is the link

http://www.vgleaks.com/playstation-4-balanced-or-unbalanced/

XBOunity

First, understand that the slide you posted (which this topic wasn't TOTALLY just ripped from NeoGAF, btw) has been available for months from VG Leaks, and was written during an era when the PS4 actually contained 4gb of GDDR5; 2012. I think we can all say that something changed since then. ;)

Shensolidus

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

looks like the system is balanced for 14 cu's. Kinda kills Tormentos since he kept touting 18 cu's all for rendering, but this slide shows otherwise. Dat Jaguar bottleneck is real I guess. Here is the link

http://www.vgleaks.com/playstation-4-balanced-or-unbalanced/

Human-after-all

yes agreed, but after 14 the performance drops, just like microsoft suggested recently, and just like the slide recommends. It citings minor improvements for rendering after 14 cu's. also looks like 14 cu's for rendering 80 percent ...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-killzone-shadow-fall

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Boom goes the dynamite. OP fails againChutebox

if you only knew what you were talking about. lol the slides say it all. try reading the article instead of invading the thread. ((((Chute))))))

[QUOTE="Shensolidus"]

First, understand that the slide you posted (which this topic wasn't TOTALLY just ripped from NeoGAF, btw) has been available for months from VG Leaks, and was written during an era when the PS4 actually contained 4gb of GDDR5; 2012. I think we can all say that something changed since then. ;)

timbers_WSU

yes the guy who said the UI of the XBOX one is not doing all the things it is intending to do. Like he has gotten a chance to see the all new features and UI? Dont trust him as a source, the guy is a full fledged cow like all the other people trying to dispute a SLIDE that SONY created.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

lol muddy the waters and try hard. i think thats a stretch on your part. I do believe in that CPU being a bottleneck. they do exist ya know.

XBOunity

The CPU is not a bottleneck on a PS4, since the PS4 runs games on a GPU shell and allows low-level API access; similar to what AMD is implementing in PC GPUs in their Mantel initiative. Skipping right over OpenGL/DirectX and going straight into the GPU chipset itself.

If anything, the XB1's CPU will be a bottleneck since it's running on a Windows 8 Kernel and will require DirectX API access to the GPU for game processing.

I don't think many people have realized this yet. Microsoft has, which is why they tried to boost their Jaguar's CPU clock a little to compensate. And then there's all that Kinect stuff that's gotta be processed eating up CPU cycles.

Bottom line: The XB1 is more dependant on it's CPU than the PS4 is.

But hey, keep ignoring the facts and dig up more slides from 2012 if it makes you happy.

;)

oh you have done testing on this? would agree with you if the new vgleak didnt say otherwise. also didnt killzone dev diary for shadowfall show only 14 cu's in use suggested by Digital foundry? or they are fanboys too ? Just wondering.

I have no idea how many CUs any console is using. All I know is that the XB1 will be bottlenecked more by it's CPU than the PS4 will because of how it's designed to use it's Win8 OS and DX API.

That's from 2012...