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#1 Alienware_fan
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What do you think would next gen console graphics look like? Have we seen anything like that yet in pc?

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#2 OreoMilkshake
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4D at 120 fps.
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#3 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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Bout like this
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. clyde46
I really doubt that.. This looks almost real.

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#6 GunSmith1_basic
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if you're talking about what the 720 will pump out just look at what pcs are doing right now. The 720 will be a bit worse than that.
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#7 sailor232
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A little above what the wiiU is doing.

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#8 crimsonman1245
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A little above what the wiiU is doing.

sailor232

If PS4/Nextbox wont be much stronger than what we have now, i dont think all the publishers would be spending so much time and resources making new engines.

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#9 faizan_faizan
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[QUOTE="sailor232"]

A little above what the wiiU is doing.

crimsonman1245

If PS4/Nextbox wont be much stronger than what we have now, i dont think all the publishers would be spending so much time and resources making new engines.

It won't be powerful than the Wii U by a large margin, Will par with Mid End PCs
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I would imagine Next Gen consoles to be around my 560TI power level. Would be surprised if they couldn't even manage that.

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#11 super600  Moderator
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Look at wiiu games in the future look like and think of what they would look like if they were on a console 3-6 times more powerful then the WiiU.

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#12 Cranler
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I think the first wave of games will match what we have on pc now except at 720p and 30fps. Will surpass current pc level graphics after a few years.

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#13 jun_aka_pekto
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What do you think would next gen console graphics look like? Have we seen anything like that yet in pc?

Alienware_fan

We first need to know what "Next-Gen" console graphics look like before we can compare it to the PC. Example?

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#14 faizan_faizan
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I think the first wave of games will match what we have on pc now except at 720p and 30fps. Will surpass current pc level graphics after a few years.

Cranler
Keep dreaming, As console games would keep the same level of graphics for so many years, New graphic cards will arrive eventually every 3-4 Months, And like always there will be some devs who would make magnificent games for the PC hardware just like Crytek did with Crysis in 2007.
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I think the first wave of games will match what we have on pc now except at 720p and 30fps. Will surpass current pc level graphics after a few years.

Cranler

I agree with you.

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Next gen people will be PC gaming at absurd graphix levels at 1440-1600p (some do that now), but on the consoles it'll most likely look like real life

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4D at 120 fps.OreoMilkshake
Lies i heard it will be 5D at 9001 fps
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[QUOTE="Cranler"]

I think the first wave of games will match what we have on pc now except at 720p and 30fps. Will surpass current pc level graphics after a few years.

crimsonman1245

I agree with you.

I think key launch titles are going to blow people away. Visuals are what is going to sell these next consoles, as the current ones are capable of doing all the nonsense non-gaming stuff.
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Dont care as PS4 is a go, locked and loaded. Day fuking 1.
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#20 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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Dont care as PS4 is a go, locked and loaded. Day fuking 1. Heil68
Calm down man. What happened to the reasoning you once had? I kid, and I know you're kidding to an extent, but to newcomers to this forum you give the impression Kaz Hirai has his shaft locked and loaded in your mouth.
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#21 -Unreal-
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I expect something on the level of Crysis 3 on PC. But I'm not holding my breath, especially in the resolution and framerate department. Even so, Crysis 3 PC level graphics on the next consoles would be reasonably high expectations.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Dont care as PS4 is a go, locked and loaded. Day fuking 1. Heirren
Calm down man. What happened to the reasoning you once had? I kid, and I know you're kidding to an extent, but to newcomers to this forum you give the impression Kaz Hirai has his shaft locked and loaded in your mouth.

(system) War(s), has changed.
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#23 emgesp
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As amazing as Wii U graphics. I can't believe how amazing Wii U graphics look compared to those ancient current gen consoles from Sony/Microsoft. It's like CGI. ( ;

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Dont care as PS4 is a go, locked and loaded. Day fuking 1. Heirren
Calm down man. What happened to the reasoning you once had? I kid, and I know you're kidding to an extent, but to newcomers to this forum you give the impression Kaz Hirai has his shaft locked and loaded in your mouth.

There was a Lemming who used to make posts saying he was going to crap on Sony products, posted a silly limerick about buying the next Xbox on day one. This is a parody of that.
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#25 emgesp
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if you're talking about what the 720 will pump out just look at what pcs are doing right now. The 720 will be a bit worse than that.GunSmith1_basic


Actually you're wrong. The 720 will produce graphics way better than anything we've seen on the PC so far. Most PC games are just console ports with some added graphical features. The best looking games on the 720/PS4 will blow away FC3/Crysis 3. When Gears of War was released it was the best looking game on any platform. It wasn't until Crysis that PC had a game that looked better than Gears of War. You people can't compare PC hardware and console hardware. PC hardware is never fully optimized like console hardware is. A console with a GPU on par with a 7850/7870 would produce some incredible visuals that would blow away anything we've ever seen before.

The 360/PS3 are 6-7 yr old consoles and they are still spitting out some of the most amazing looking titles. Halo 4, TLOU, Beyond, Forza Horizon, God of War Ascension. Just imagine what a next-gen console will be able to do with 6-8x more power than current gen hardware.

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[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Heil68"]Dont care as PS4 is a go, locked and loaded. Day fuking 1. clyde46
Calm down man. What happened to the reasoning you once had? I kid, and I know you're kidding to an extent, but to newcomers to this forum you give the impression Kaz Hirai has his shaft locked and loaded in your mouth.

There was a Lemming who used to make posts saying he was going to crap on Sony products, posted a silly limerick about buying the next Xbox on day one. This is a parody of that.

Ah, don't remember, but to be clear I respect Heli as a poster. That wasn't an insult. I recall him making very logical posts in the past, but lately every time I see him post it's almost that exact same phrase.
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[QUOTE="Cranler"]

I think the first wave of games will match what we have on pc now except at 720p and 30fps. Will surpass current pc level graphics after a few years.

faizan_faizan
Keep dreaming, As console games would keep the same level of graphics for so many years, New graphic cards will arrive eventually every 3-4 Months, And like always there will be some devs who would make magnificent games for the PC hardware just like Crytek did with Crysis in 2007.

Reading comprehension fail! I said they would surpass current pc level graphics, I didnt say the consoles would keep pace with pc.
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#28 faizan_faizan
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="Cranler"]

I think the first wave of games will match what we have on pc now except at 720p and 30fps. Will surpass current pc level graphics after a few years.

Cranler
Keep dreaming, As console games would keep the same level of graphics for so many years, New graphic cards will arrive eventually every 3-4 Months, And like always there will be some devs who would make magnificent games for the PC hardware just like Crytek did with Crysis in 2007.

Reading comprehension fail! I said they would surpass current pc level graphics, I didnt say the consoles would keep pace with pc.

Still.......Keep dreaming, Lets wait and see.
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Dont care as PS4 is a go, locked and loaded. Day fuking 1. Heil68
dude you didnt here? It got cancelled after Kaz was found crying on a mountain of cell chips ruining the whole batch... wanna play borderlands tonight?
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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] Keep dreaming, As console games would keep the same level of graphics for so many years, New graphic cards will arrive eventually every 3-4 Months, And like always there will be some devs who would make magnificent games for the PC hardware just like Crytek did with Crysis in 2007.faizan_faizan
Reading comprehension fail! I said they would surpass current pc level graphics, I didnt say the consoles would keep pace with pc.

Still.......Keep dreaming, Lets wait and see.



Keep Dreaming about what? Crysis 3 is just a console port. It's not a next-gen game. You really think we won't see games on the 720/PS4 that surpass the graphics in Crysis 3? Hahahah, devs aren't fully utilizing PC hardware. If a dev made a PC game exclusively for a AMD 7850 and Intel i5 2500 CPU it would totally blow away Crysis 3 at full settings. Like I said before, most AAA PC games are just console ports that aren't fully optimized for PC.

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#31 Cranler
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] Keep dreaming, As console games would keep the same level of graphics for so many years, New graphic cards will arrive eventually every 3-4 Months, And like always there will be some devs who would make magnificent games for the PC hardware just like Crytek did with Crysis in 2007.

Reading comprehension fail! I said they would surpass current pc level graphics, I didnt say the consoles would keep pace with pc.

Still.......Keep dreaming, Lets wait and see.

PC gamers with high end rigs are running half optimized games at 1080p+, 60+fps and 4xaa. The 720 will likely be comparable to a mid range pc. A mid range pc can max almost any game at 720p and 30fps.
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What do you think would next gen console graphics look like? Have we seen anything like that yet in pc?

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#33 faizan_faizan
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All i wanted to say is that X720/PS4 won't be as beastly as the previous consoles were at launch was that hard to understand?:?

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/12/12/crytek-says-next-gen-consoles-wont-have-big-impact/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/next-gen-consoles-will-struggle-to-beat-pc-say-industry-insiders/

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All i wanted to say is that X720/PS4 won't be as beastly as the previous consoles were at launch was that hard to understand?:?

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/12/12/crytek-says-next-gen-consoles-wont-have-big-impact/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/next-gen-consoles-will-struggle-to-beat-pc-say-industry-insiders/

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Next-Gen consoles won't need a GTX 680, or some kind of High-End SLI setup to produce visuals that outclass the best looking PC games out right now. Devs can do so much more on a console because they can optimize the crap out of it. Once new consoles are released then you will start see graphics really improving on the PC as well. Crysis 3 graphics will look ancient 4 yrs from now.
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

All i wanted to say is that X720/PS4 won't be as beastly as the previous consoles were at launch was that hard to understand?:?

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/12/12/crytek-says-next-gen-consoles-wont-have-big-impact/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/next-gen-consoles-will-struggle-to-beat-pc-say-industry-insiders/

emgesp

Next-Gen consoles won't need a GTX 680, or some kind of High-End SLI setup to produce visuals that outclass the best looking PC games out right now. Devs can do so much more on a console because they can optimize the crap out of it. Once new consoles are released then you will start see graphics really improving on the PC as well. Crysis 3 graphics will look ancient 4 yrs from now.

I agree with this. Once new consoles come out, developers can start utilizing fully DX11 engines, making even the best looking games out right now look dated.

Of course PC's will be able to play them at higher resolutions and frame rates than the consoles, but they'll be on par to start with (well, again on par but with better performance on PC), and then the PC will being to pull away yet again.

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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]if you're talking about what the 720 will pump out just look at what pcs are doing right now. The 720 will be a bit worse than that.emgesp



Actually you're wrong. The 720 will produce graphics way better than anything we've seen on the PC so far. Most PC games are just console ports with some added graphical features.

...

that's only if you take a narrow view of PC gaming and don't include mods (and modding is part of PC culture so that should be included).

Also, I'm not talking about the ultimate potential of the 720, just what they will do with in the first year or so, which will be a lot less than what they do later with it (like any console or tech). I think that's a fair limit to take based on what TC was asking. TC seemed like the interesting info was what we'll all see at e3 and in the days up to the launch.

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#37 faizan_faizan
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

All i wanted to say is that X720/PS4 won't be as beastly as the previous consoles were at launch was that hard to understand?:?

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/12/12/crytek-says-next-gen-consoles-wont-have-big-impact/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/next-gen-consoles-will-struggle-to-beat-pc-say-industry-insiders/

emgesp
Next-Gen consoles won't need a GTX 680, or some kind of High-End SLI setup to produce visuals that outclass the best looking PC games out right now. Devs can do so much more on a console because they can optimize the crap out of it. Once new consoles are released then you will start see graphics really improving on the PC as well. Crysis 3 graphics will look ancient 4 yrs from now.

Makes sense..............I was actually hoping that Devs will give PC more time than they ever gave to consoles........As you can see most of the new PC games aren't console ports they are well optimized DX11 capable games that also run well, If you go back and look at the multiplats released on PC in 2008 or 2009 they are absolutely SHIAT they look bad, They also run bad..............I thought since this is the first gen to actually not have a big impact than the previous devs like Crytek will make more graphically enhanced games on PC and care less about consoles.
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Watch Dog graphics at launch would be incredible. (Even at 720P/30FPS)

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#39 Cranler
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All i wanted to say is that X720/PS4 won't be as beastly as the previous consoles were at launch was that hard to understand?:?

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/12/12/crytek-says-next-gen-consoles-wont-have-big-impact/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/next-gen-consoles-will-struggle-to-beat-pc-say-industry-insiders/

faizan_faizan
Doesnt need to be as beastly. PC hardware is way beyond the software at this point. With proper optimization a freaking gtx 260 could max the best looking pc games at 720p.
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Hopefully 1080p and either FXAA or SMAA since they don't big down performance much and will help clear up jaggies. I think Next gen consoles will look like Max Payne 3 on PC
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#41 Zophar87
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[QUOTE="sailor232"]

A little above what the wiiU is doing.

crimsonman1245

If PS4/Nextbox wont be much stronger than what we have now, i dont think all the publishers would be spending so much time and resources making new engines.

That's a useless argument. They've been making new engines this entire gen too.

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#42 shaunmc
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I think there's probably going to be anywhere from two to four times as many graphics in the next gen.
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#43 Cranler
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[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

All i wanted to say is that X720/PS4 won't be as beastly as the previous consoles were at launch was that hard to understand?:?

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/12/12/crytek-says-next-gen-consoles-wont-have-big-impact/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/next-gen-consoles-will-struggle-to-beat-pc-say-industry-insiders/

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Next-Gen consoles won't need a GTX 680, or some kind of High-End SLI setup to produce visuals that outclass the best looking PC games out right now. Devs can do so much more on a console because they can optimize the crap out of it. Once new consoles are released then you will start see graphics really improving on the PC as well. Crysis 3 graphics will look ancient 4 yrs from now.

Makes sense..............I was actually hoping that Devs will give PC more time than they ever gave to consoles........As you can see most of the new PC games aren't console ports they are well optimized DX11 capable games that also run well, If you go back and look at the multiplats released on PC in 2008 or 2009 they are absolutely SHIAT they look bad, They also run bad..............I thought since this is the first gen to actually not have a big impact than the previous devs like Crytek will make more graphically enhanced games on PC and care less about consoles.

What multiplats from 2008-2009 are you speaking of? Mirrors Edge and Far Cry 2 for example are still among the best looking games this gen. They seemed as well optimized as any recent multiplat.
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It's so sad that generational graphic leaps are always defined by consoles. Makes me ashamed of my PC
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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="emgesp"] Next-Gen consoles won't need a GTX 680, or some kind of High-End SLI setup to produce visuals that outclass the best looking PC games out right now. Devs can do so much more on a console because they can optimize the crap out of it. Once new consoles are released then you will start see graphics really improving on the PC as well. Crysis 3 graphics will look ancient 4 yrs from now.

Makes sense..............I was actually hoping that Devs will give PC more time than they ever gave to consoles........As you can see most of the new PC games aren't console ports they are well optimized DX11 capable games that also run well, If you go back and look at the multiplats released on PC in 2008 or 2009 they are absolutely SHIAT they look bad, They also run bad..............I thought since this is the first gen to actually not have a big impact than the previous devs like Crytek will make more graphically enhanced games on PC and care less about consoles.

What multiplats from 2008-2009 are you speaking of? Mirrors Edge and Far Cry 2 for example are still among the best looking games this gen. They seemed as well optimized as any recent multiplat.

I actually meant the poor poor console ports, Saints Row 2, GTA IV, DmC 4...........And the worst of them is Resident Evil 4, Believe me that game was so poorly developed i regret even buying it....It was horrible running those Poorly and Lazily developed Console ports but as PC piracy got decreased and more and more people bought gaming PCs dev gave a damn and released highly optimized games on PC.
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#46 emgesp
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It's so sad that generational graphic leaps are always defined by consoles. Makes me ashamed of my PCGioVela2010


Console gaming is where the money is at, so Devs have to develop games with console hardware in mind.

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I want my sports games and racers to be damn near photo realistic, specially racers.
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#48 clyde46
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[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]It's so sad that generational graphic leaps are always defined by consoles. Makes me ashamed of my PCemgesp



Console gaming is where the money is at, so Devs have to develop games with console hardware in mind.

Although that is part of it, there is more to making consoles for consoles. Chiefly, the closed system that consoles have. The devs get full control over everything. Thats why we have seen the rise of DLC.
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#49 crimsonman1245
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[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

[QUOTE="sailor232"]

A little above what the wiiU is doing.

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If PS4/Nextbox wont be much stronger than what we have now, i dont think all the publishers would be spending so much time and resources making new engines.

That's a useless argument. They've been making new engines this entire gen too.

Sure, but not like this.

Square Enix is building Luminous engine for its Japanese teams

Square Enix is building Glacier 2.0 for its Western teams

Ubisoft made Anvilnext

Konami made Fox Engine

Epic made Unreal engine 4

Crytek continues to upgrade Cryengine 3

IDtech 5 continues to be upgraded

Valve is building Source 2.0

EA made Frostbite 2.0

The publishers know whats coming and they felt like these consoles will be so powerful that they will require upgraded engines. Just my opinion.

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#50 Zophar87
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[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

If PS4/Nextbox wont be much stronger than what we have now, i dont think all the publishers would be spending so much time and resources making new engines.

crimsonman1245

That's a useless argument. They've been making new engines this entire gen too.

Sure, but not like this.

Square Enix is building Luminous engine for its Japanese teams

Square Enix is building Glacier 2.0 for its Western teams

Ubisoft made Anvilnext

Konami made Fox Engine

Epic made Unreal engine 4

Crytek continues to upgrade Cryengine 3

IDtech 5 continues to be upgraded

Valve is building Source 2.0

EA made Frostbite 2.0

The publishers know whats coming and they felt like these consoles will be so powerful that they will require upgraded engines. Just my opinion.

Yeah, that's true. However, it doesn't really show how powerful the consoles will be.