Xbox still makes you buy batteries for their controllers because...

@joshrmeyer: xsx controller is 10 bucks cheaper, but given all options I’d still rather have AAs in my controller. Yes, you can recharge the Sony controllers after a long session, but if you forget you start the next session with a cable plugged in...which is never long enough. All rechargeable batteries lose charge capacity - starting at 10 percent after approx 200 charges which is less than a year.

Again, given that I have the option to buy rechargeables, AAs or a battery pack and a cheaper controller I wouldn’t want that to change in future gens....but given the environmental issues it probably will.

@ProtossRushX: Guess what? I can plug my controller in too. I need to plug it in far less than you, because two AA batteries last anywhere between 2 weeks and a month.

Given that you don’t use your PS4 I guess you don’t need to charge the controller either.

Dude I plug in my cord all the time for my switch lite ps4 controllers its really no big deal at all....you can still play with it plugged in its not going to kill you

What? You have any evidence that most used Duracell batteries in their Xbox controllers or just pulling stuff out of your ass?

Here is an actual example of milking a customer. Selling an graphically updated game less than 1 year after it was released for full price. Selling a demo for $39. We in the real world call that milking. Users choosing to buy or NOT buy a particular brand of battery isn't.

its kind of a pain to get up and walk all the way there and plug in the cord. Sometimes I forget and the controller is almost dead.

I also feel like the xbox batteries last longer than the ps5 rechargeable controller.

XSX controller is $59...PS5 $69. How is that the same price?

Well for one controllers aren't high end devices and 2 that's why MS gives you options. Replaceable or rechargeable..options comparing to having none and replacing the entire controller.

Why do you keep using such horrible examples of products using rechargeable's? Toys that use rechargeable batteries have to be charged almost every time you use them so it would make ZERO sense to have them use disposable. Controllers aren't in the category because 1 pack can last as long as a month or 2 depending on how much you play. Your argument is nonsensical

If only we could believe this...unfortunately for you we know you don't play your consoles. We know you're not playing anything on the PC except for Wow and in no way are you using a controller. Stop being a fakeboy

Easier recharging the controller than having to go to the shops just to get batteries to game.

Microsoft are stuck in the stone age using batteries. I am surprised they dont pack in a scart lead as well

By most, i don't mean you're purchasing nothing else but a Duracell battery every time yours run out, but over the years, MOST HAVE PURCHASED said brand for their controllers. This is fact and no links is needed for something this obvious. Their strategy worked.

Very low level indeed right their🤭

I've been using the same charge from the same two AAA batteries (GP®) for my wireless keyboard since I bought it in June 2018. It's incredible. Sony's lithium ion batteries can't even hold a charge for half a day.

Again you have any proof of said purchases explicitly for Xbox controllers? You know Engergizer exist right as well as many other brands. I don't recall 1 time MS telling or hinting for me to purchase Duracell batteries. There is nothing obvious about this.

Make a claim provide the evidence.

@hardwenzen: I also have the option of buying rechargeable batteries, using a cable or buying a battery pack.

Ms made a deal with Duracell to supply the batteries with the controller.

That’s not milking the user base, that’s supplying them with a “popular option” with a cheaper priced controller that has further options for power.

Milking the user base would be giving gamers who bought a game on PS4 no other option to upgrade to the ps5 enhanced version, other than to pay 70 dollars. Or charging gamers to save games to the cloud, while disabling external drive storage..or even charging gamers to use all the features of the UI.

That’s milking.

May actually get GP batteries instead of Duracels now, if my extremely long battery life is not an anomaly.

Lemmings eat anything Microsoft gives them lol. For the gamer, please.

You do, but don't speak for everyone. A dudebro who's into madden might just get the Duracell batteries cuz its one of the two brands he knows. And that is how their deal is milking the fanbase. Not to mention how the controller would've been lighter and without the annoying batteries compartment (especially on the 360 controllers).

Had the ps4 from launch to the Fall of 2020 and never had any kind of batteries issues, and i was certainly not thinking of them running out and having to swap them.

It's funny, MS debunked this shit fast.

Not saying i don't like the AA batteries option, but the cost of it is much more than just buying a Xbox battery pack. 4-8 rechargable batteries + charger can possibly cost around $15-20 which is about the same as an Xbox controller battery pack. Better yet just go to GameStop and buy two used one for like $9 each. Loose batteries are like boomer generation nowadays. The only thing I would even consider using it is on a remote controller.

@hardwenzen: I’m objectively not speaking for everybody, because others here have already said they use other options.

If ms supplied a controller that only worked with Duracell batteries, then yes...the deal would be a bad one for the gamers. The fact that most people will buy Duracell’s after the supplied batteries die only means that most people ... given the choice...recognise that it is a good product, and if ms had made a deal with another battery company they would STILL buy duracells.

Sorry bud, your argument holds no water.

Edit; Sorry... misunderstood your first point. I kinda do speak for everybody, because everybody has the same choices I have. Use AAs, buy rechargeables, use a cable or buy a battery pack.

@hardwenzen: "A dudebro who's into madden might just get the Duracell batteries cuz its one of the two brands he knows. And that is how their deal is milking the fanbase."

I don't think you understand the definition of milking. You'd be given no choice but to buy Duracell if you chose disposable batteries but that's not the case. People have the choice of buying which ever brand they want without any outside influence from MS or Duracell. In fact I bet 90%+ of the gaming world didn't know the deal with MS and Duracell even existed.

You need to look up the definition of milking amigo.

I've actually never had a Sony or Nintendo controller with built in battery die on me. I do have a Xbox One controller for PC, and I just plug that in to my PC lol, but to your point, you need it for long distance.

I understand milking perfectly fine. You could call this an indirect milking, since nobody is forcing you to buy it. But all in all, after two full generation and a third one that has just began, you know damn well this deal has made them a shitload of money, and nobody even knew about it. Not only is it making them money, but they gave you a shittier 360 controller design because of those battery packs.

And how many AA batteries you think you'll go through before a charge of a lithium battery goes?

Nah, he just completely destroyed kingtito post.

Again without any proof that THIS particular deal made Duracell more money than if they didn't have one then you're just talking. No facts to back it up other than your "feelings". This isn't milking in any definition of the word be it loose or not.

Having built in batteries doesn't make your controller better. The Elite controller uses batteries and is considered one of the best controllers available. The design is my favorite and is nothing more than an opinion which includes your statement.

Again, learn the definition of milking.

LOLO by posting consoles he doesn't play? We've seen the pics before and we've also seen that he doesn't actually play since the last time he turned on his PS4 was in 2019 and his Xbox is collecting dust in his closet(his words).

You might want to look up who you're backing up before you make a fool of yourself clown. Protoss is nothing more than a fakeboy flip flopping which system he's going to shill for that day.

@ermacness: Well I finally replaced my 4 AA rechargeables I use for my Xbox last week....after 7 years.

$10 ÷ (365×7) = approx. $0.004/day. Approx 2.5 days cost me 1 cent. Possibly upto double that if I include the electricity cost as well. The horror of it all. How will I feed my family? Imagine if you are super hard-core and have to buy replacements twice as often as I do.

Good thing some of us use rechargeable batteries like Eneloops which last a very long time and when they run out of charge it's a quick swap. You clowns need to get off the "AA batteries" are last gen garbage.

In contrast, I had to purchase another $70 controller for the long gaming sessions. Spent more on that controller than I have for my Eneloops that'll last me decade.

@hardwenzen: Indirect milking? Isn’t that another way of saying “not milking”?

Seriously, I don’t get the issue. Ms has to supply batteries in order for gamers to play when they open their boxes...so they have to make a deal with a battery supplier. They made a partnership with an OEM that supplies the batteries inside the console as well as the ones in the controller, and chose the market leader.

How is that not good? If ms are getting paid by Duracell, why would that be a bad thing for gamers when they get batteries from the most popular brand? I suspect Duracell don’t need to do more than supply the batteries, or more likely sell than at a discount to ms...I seriously doubt that Duracell are paying big bucks to supply a product. That’s not how things work.

It’s a partnership.

Since you're so anal about links and proof, let me ask you a question. Do you have proof that this deal DID NOT MAKE them bank? You do not. So until your prove otherwise, my claims are equal to yours.

The Elite controller is the best, yes, i'd agree, but you're paying an outrageous amount of money for a simple controller that uses the same shitty internals the normal controllers do. That is not okay. And don't be too impressed with it being the best when gaming companies have been on an auto pilote when it comes to controllers. Nobody tries to evolve the damn thing.

That's not how this thing works. YOU make a claim, YOU back it up. To clarify what I'm saying, I know the deal made Duracell money because MS still has to pay for the initial batteries than come with the controller. What I'm trying to say is that YOU have no idea if future battery purchases made by the consumer were Duracells. Some may have been but just as likely is consumers bought one of the many other brands on the market. The point of milking is forcing the customers to purchase only that 1 brand and NOT give them the many many options they have.

But I'm not making any claims. I'm saying YOU don't know since YOU'RE the one making them.

Be that as it may it's still one of the best controllers AND it doesn't use and built in battery. Kind of renders your opinion about shitty controllers using AA moot.

Well I'm sure that'll change at some point. It's my favorite controller design and having options sure beats having none. Having said that, the PS5 controller has a very nice feel and weight and is growing on me.

You don't have any solid proof to counter my claims. I am obviously not gonna waste time trying to find proof if there's even such a thing, and if there is, its not public. So why would you ask me to give you proof for something you know damn well isn't told to the public? Unless there's leakage involved, we will never know the end result, but its pretty darn naive to think that they didn't make bank in North America alone, let alone the rest of the world.

I have no idea if their deal is still a thing, but if it is, it ain't just cuz they feel like Duracell is a cool brand.

I don't need to provide counter proof since you've failed to prove your point. You seem to be ignoring the fact that YOU made the claim, not me. It's your responsibility to provide the proof backing up the claim you made. I didn't say one way or the other that Duracell made more money or not. I said how can YOU say it without providing any factual numbers to back it up.

Why would I ask for proof? Because you're making statements and acting as if it's fact and not your opinion. If you had stated you "think" this is what's happening then there is no need to provide proof BUT you didn't. You act as if it's fact AND you're making a claim of it being an example of milking the customers. That's why I asked for proof.

They made money off the initial deal and I'm not disputing it. We don't know if they made MORE money off resales of AA batteries for Xbox controllers BECAUSE they have a deal in place like you're claiming. I bet the money they make off sales of AA batteries(not the initial purchases that comes with new controllers) for Xbox controllers would be the exact same had they had no deal. The difference is I'm not saying it as fact while you are.

It's most likely because Duracell gave them a better deal OR they're execs are cozy with MS execs. Either way this is the furthest thing from milking as can be

@SolidGame_basic:

Is pathetic for years lemmings though that MS was giving them a choice.😂😂😂

I know certain lemmings here who must be on full DC mode let me read on.😂😂😂

I see that "bu buh but teh AA batteries king" is here. 😂🤣

The proof is not public, and you know that. My claims are nothing out of the ordinary, so i am not too certain why its so hard for you to see this being a possible reality. You can deny it all you want, but you have no proof of it being not real either. Its Microsoft lmao.

It's funny that the article specifically states just that "to give the consumers options" LOL that you still fail to except it. You really think MS would keep a battery deal just to make Duracell happy? You're more delusional that anyone thought

So if the proof isn't public then how could you make any statements as factual?

Again, I challenged your "facts" and asked for proof. I didn't make a claim either way but I highly doubt what you said simply because MS nor Duracell has put any statements out pushing anyone to purchase their batteries for Xbox controllers. How you think that's milking is beyond me.

Funny, cause neither do you. Fact is YOU made the claim so you can laugh all you want but the fact remains you failed to prove a statement you pretend is fact.

Bottom line for me and almost anyone using an Xbox controller is options>>>having none. I'd take the options every day of the week and twice on Sundays

I play at a PC, and when I use a controller, it's usually always plugged in. Usually it's my PS4 controller, so it's a preference thing. If I am sitting 18 inches from a USB port, why worry about batteries at all?

But, I can understand people not wanting a built-in battery they cannot easily swap out. If you're playing a game and your controller dies, I can understand if someone would rather be able to swap out the battery pack and continue playing, rather than having to move closer to the TV, or find a really long USB cable, or use another controller (especially if it's a $150 elite controller).

But.. I do think Xbox controllers should come with one of those battery packs included. With that battery pack you have something you can plug in to recharge, just like a PS4 or Switch controller, but you can also swap it out, just like with batteries. My 8bitdo controller came with a battery pack very similar to what they make for the Xbox controller.

Because its a gaming forum and that's what you do on a gaming forum. Plus, as i've mentioned, it wouldn't be surprising if this was true. Its Microsoft we're talking about.

Your comment on having option doesn't make much sense. A lithium battery is better 100% of the time, so what's the point of having an inferior option? Its like using the DS4 on a ps5 while playing ps4 games. The choice is there, but why would anyone consider it over the DualSense when its so much better in every way?

@kingtito: You should ask yourself why every other gaming company uses rechargeable batteries in their controller(Nintendo, sony, stadia, oculus, etc etc). Gameboys used to use AA batteries about like 30 years ago but fortunately Nintendo got with the times and included a rechargeable (like 20 years ago? Lol)... But yup, MS is the only company looking out for you(sarcasm).

Well thank you Duracell, as you don't have to deal with the shite PS4 battery. Hell, the Switch Pro controller decimates Sony's battery life, and is also internal.

I received Eneloop Pro's years ago as a Christmas present, and still game for close to 20 hours per charge on them. My DS4 dies in maybe about a quarter of the time. Cost vs. convenience, and my Eneloops win out.

Could you please provide a link to this fake outrage of yours, i mean i would believe you, but i know who you are and the lies you tell.

1-The problem is they don't include a pair of rechargeable ones, they don't need to drop the AA model.

2-Pretty weak defense, what you have is IRRELEVANT since you don't represent even 1% of the market.

3-No matter what either in your control or outside it you NEED to plug your rechargeable batteries, charge don't hold for ever, and they don't charge telepathically.

Not to mention that multiple sets of batteries cost multiple sets of dollars.

I don't know why in 2021 people feel the need still to justify MS crap with controllers.

So what you are saying is that is GOOD for the consumer to forcefully buy batteries?

Come on man you don't need prevent the consumer from replacing batteries, Duracell has rechargeable batteries, in fact they had them before the xbox brand even existed.

You are been intellectually dishonest.

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I assume its a slow day on SW if we're talking about Xbox batteries again lol.

I am quite surprised that this thread has yet to be locked. Toxic fanboyism on an issue over batteries?

Thats great i would not ever argue that, but i would argue that MS should include a free pair of rechargeable ones instead of making you pay for them.

They don't nee to be proprietary at all.

No you can change batteries in your controllers i did it with my DS3 which battery lasted some 10 years.

The notion that you have to throw controllers away because of a battery is lol worthy.

Rechargeable battery DS4

Because he is a corporate b!tch he simply can't come to terms with it, just like he downplayed MS forcing consumer to pay for free to play games which no other platform does.😂

Yeah that is a shock like you would dislike anything MS does.😂😂

They could turn off your xbox remotely and allow you to play it only for 3 hours a day and still you would be ok with it.

There is this sad notion here around xbox fans, they believe that in order to have rechargeable batteries you need to give up the AA format.

You people need to drop the whole option excuse to justify lack of rechargeable batteries on xbox controllers, now we know 100% for sure that they include those for profits DC does money and MS does money as well when people run out of juice on that first pair and buy a play and charge kits which have sold MILLIONS.

@tormentos: I didn't have to buy rechargable batteries for my controllers. I already had them as many people do. AA is a common battery used for many devices. That is what makes it so convenient. I always have charged batteries ready to go and I don't even have to think about it when a controller dies. Just a quick swap and I am right back to playing the way I was. No cord, no bullshit.