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#2 UnknownSniper65
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Florida gets more flak than anybody because of its habit of having crazy headlines and crazy people in general.

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@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:
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I think the video make some excellent points. I don't necessary agree with every one of his decisions or positions but I think he is a good president. He oversaw some progressive and monumental milestones in American history. First and foremost, the first black president as the video mentioned. I didn't agree with his focus on obamacare in lieu of economical recovery, but it turned out he was right and if he waited the proposal wouldn't have went through after they lost Democrat controlled house. Gay right was another important step that he played a role in.

And he really didn't swoop in and take your guns and bibles, so I guess that's a good thing; although he still has almost two years left, so be ever vigilant for the "gubment" is always hiding in wait somewhere...

There you go making an ass out of yourself by assuming again. I'm not a religious individual, never have been. So I couldn't care less about Obama "taking [MY] bibles". And to be completely honest, Obama's half ass attempts at "taking [MY] guns" have been the best things for the firearm industry since ever, so yeah, that is a good thing.

1. Obama has never attempted to take anyone's guns. That's just stupid.

2. I never claimed you were religious.

3. We have seen a small uptick in sales the first quarter of this year, but nothing close to covering last year's losses and overall Firearms industry sales are down over a three year period Colt is bankrupt. S&W is down 35% in sales over a three year period. Yes, a bunch of irrationally paranoid racists ran out a bought a few guns after a black man was elected president, but only really needs to do a simple web search for something like "gun sales down" to see the truth.

Colt going out of business is largely do to a poor business model that was heavily reliant on government contracts. They ignored the civilian market after winning military contracts in the 70s and 80s and then found themselves behind everyone else once the government contracts dried up. Colt has been on the verge of going out of business for a long time and was only temporarily saved from bankruptcy by the uptick in military spending after 9/11. Honestly, Colt's fate was sealed in the 1980s when Glock stole the law enforcement market and Beretta won the military sidearm contract. Even with people buying AR-15s nobody is buying Colt AR-15s.

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#4  Edited By UnknownSniper65
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@Aljosa23 said:
@thegerg said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@Aljosa23 said:
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@Mighty-Lu-Bu: if a school full of young children getting massacred didn't make people support reform nothing will.

I didn't kill those children. Why should I lose my freedoms because of it?

You're not losing any freedoms and it's stubborn behavior like this why nothing is changing. It's really selfish when you really think about it. Sure it might be a hassle, but new gun control laws would make America a better place and how can you knockdown something like that? I question your morals and your intregity.

It's really selfish of you to want to take away others ability to defend themselves so you feel safer while actually not being safer. And when you REALLY think about, it's also selfish that you don't want to take responsibility of your own well being but expect someone like the police to risk their lives to protect you.

How is that selfish when that's what the police get paid to do lol wtf

lol you should educate yourself on what the police get paid to do, because it's not what you think it is. And yes, it's still selfish to expect someone to risk their lives in protecting yours, in fact that's pretty much the ultimate example of selfishness.

Uh that's why we use tax money to fund the police force. IF they don't have to protect us then I want my tax money back.

Well, not exactly. The police (and other government organizations) in the US have no duty to specifically serve YOU. But, rather, they are only lawfully required to serve the public at large. They do not get paid to keep "you" or "me" safe, they get paid to keep "us" safe.

This is exactly what I meant. I didn't mean "me" as in they should be my personal bodyguard but that they protect society in general.

The point he is making is that in the United States its fairly well established in courts that law enforcement's duty to protect society doesn't extend to individual victims. If you actually read the Warren vs District of Columbia decision law enforcement was completely cleared of any negligence despite arriving on the scene of a major crime twice and leaving without doing any real investigating The government can't make the claim "You don't need firearms, the police will protect you" while ensuring that they are free from the repercussions of failing to do so through incompetence. The decision itself basically reaffirms what a lot of people have claimed all along: you're responsive for your own protection from crime.

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@Aljosa23 said:
@bmanva said:
@Mighty-Lu-Bu said:
@airshocker said:
@oflow said:

@Mighty-Lu-Bu: if a school full of young children getting massacred didn't make people support reform nothing will.

I didn't kill those children. Why should I lose my freedoms because of it?

You're not losing any freedoms and it's stubborn behavior like this why nothing is changing. It's really selfish when you really think about it. Sure it might be a hassle, but new gun control laws would make America a better place and how can you knockdown something like that? I question your morals and your intregity.

It's really selfish of you to want to take away others ability to defend themselves so you feel safer while actually not being safer. And when you REALLY think about, it's also selfish that you don't want to take responsibility of your own well being but expect someone like the police to risk their lives to protect you.

How is that selfish when that's what the police get paid to do lol wtf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

Law enforcement is not legally obligated to protect individuals and cannot even be held liable for failing to do so. This is well established case law that police departments across the country fought to get put into place. An individual is responsible for his or her own protection and cannot count on law enforcement to protect them as an individual.

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@samusbeliskner said:

@bmanva: so, if you can't defend yourself with a gun, that means your right to self defense has between taken away? Do you not see what a monumentally stupid assertion that is? What about the people who cannot afford guns? Has capitalism taken their right to defend themselves? This idea that a gun is the only way to defend yourself is absurd. A gun isn't even the best way to defend yourself in most situations. Your gun is now likely to harm you than anyone else.

I suppose that's why law enforcement officers in the United States don't carry guns....oh wait. They do. All the time. Off duty or on duty.

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@Mighty-Lu-Bu said:

@airshocker: The only weapon I even proposed on restricting (not completely banning) is your beloved AR-15, and please show me where it says in the bill of rights that you can own an AR-15. People have been abusing the 2nd amendment for ages; "It means I can own rocket launcher, it means that I can own whatever firearm I want including military grade weapons." It's one of the oldest scams in the book and it is really sad. I propose gun reformation and everyone goes absolutely ape shit saying, "Look! They are trying to take all of our guns away!". Did you know that most states don't even require a background check to purchase a firearm? That is absolutely insane! California should be the role model that all states should follow and I guarantee that gun violence would dramatically drop. Something needs to be done or we are going to keep having these mass shootings- perhaps it'll be your family that gets killed next and then maybe then you would be more inclined to compromise. Also your argument regarding the AR-15 is absolutely ridiculous. Of course the AR-15 is not responsible for as many deaths as pistols/handguns.... there are thousands upon thousands of models of handguns out there and there are like what 10 maybe 20 variations of the AR-15? The restrictions I would definitely have for the AR-15 would be the following: Can't use 5.56 NATO round. Do you have any idea what you can do with that round? Same rounds we used in the Marines and same rounds that are used all around the world in war and combat. Then there is this argument saying, "Oh, but those are automatic weapons". Nope. In the Marines we used two weapons, the M4 and the M16 and both versions did not have an automatic feature, just semi-auto and 3 round burst (which was actually forbidden to use). The problem with the 5.56 round is that it is a high velocity round and whoever you shoot it at, you risk it penetrating and going through a wall and killing something or someone else which makes it less than ideal for home defense. Also I see no need for civilians to have a flash surpressor on this weapon. Is that really so hard? Americans and their guns... the ignorance and arrogance is stupifying.

So....my mini-14 in the picture above is okay despite firing the exact same round and actually be more compact. Never mind the fact that .223 is actually an incredibly popular varmint hunting round that the military took and applied a combat application to.

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I also must say ,as someone who has worked in the correctional system, the last thing we need is more incarcerated non-violent offenders. We have prisons across the country running at twice the capacity they are designed to be because we spent the last 20 years making a felony out of every crime we could. We shouldn't be adding more on to that list.

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I am going to hazard a guess and say I'd probably be doing quite a lot of paperwork if your laws were ever passed. Thankfully, I am not to worried about any gun reform being passed any time soon in the United States since my NRA membership seems to be the only thing that actually makes a difference in politics in the United States. Here in lies the biggest problem with gun control in the United States. What exactly do I gain out your proposed law? You're proposing the illusion of safety by means of control. People are still going to get firearms and its not as if making 30 round magazines illegal suddenly makes them a difficult commodity. Massachusetts banned all magazines made before the AWB and yet you can buy grandfathered 30 round magazines for $30-$40 in almost every gun store. We aren't having a discussion or even a debate on firearms, you're dictating to me what the gun laws should be. Gun rights groups have largely won this debate in every state that doesn't have a heavily liberal urban population ( New York, California, Massachusetts, Delaware, Maryland,etc). If you want to get any kind of gun reform done perhaps you should actually be more realistic about how its going to happen. Want Universal background checks? Give us universal concealed carry laws. See how that works? Give and take. I'm not sure how a "discussion" on a political topic in the United States suddenly became on side dictating to the other regardless of political realities.

Your list reads like a gun control advocate's wet dream

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It got vetoed in New Hampshire by a democrat governor. The entire concept of concealed carry permits is stupid when you consider the majority of states allow you to open carry a firearm on your hip without one anyway. Putting on a coat really shouldn't make you a felon when you consider the law allows you to carry it openly. The irrational fear some people have of firearms is incredible to me, I carry conceal carry glock 19 or a glock 26 almost every day.