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#1 Last_Lap
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@sealionact said:
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Even with the Mega Drive variants, those numbers don’t top Nintendos….and if we then include Nintendo variants we have to add another 5.7 m consoles which puts the Mega drive into a distant second place in a two horse race….why you are trying to discount sales in Japan is beyond me.

360 sales were not a huge gap behind ps3 if at all, given that Xbox stopped releasing sales numbers at 85.4 m while ps3 sold 87.5m.

Regardless, the question was whether Sega or Xbox was a better competitor to Sony. Sega failed at the first hurdle with Dreamcast, while Xbox is still in the race.

You are wrong again the Sega Saturn was in direct competition to the PS1, then the Dreamcast came out it was competing against the PS2. So, Sega fought for 2 gens with Sony, but its poor decisions before the Playstation was a thing left them in a not so good financial position.

So please do some research on Sega before you post as you've made it very clear you know very little about them.

The only reason Xbox is on the market (let's not say race when Phil has already declared Xbox lost) is because MS is a trillion-dollar company.

Yes, you’re right. Saturn was Segas hope against PlayStation. But it didn’t fail because of a lack of finances. It failed because it was more expensive, harder to develop for than a PS, was way worse at 3d games, suffered from a bizarre conceptual advertising campaign and just didn’t get the same support from 3rd party devs.

Sega didn’t win against Nintendo in any race and utterly failed to compete against Sony. Xbox at least went neck and neck with Sony with the 360 and has the staying power to compete.

Yes, it was more expensive because Sega had big financial failures with the Mega CD & 32X and not doubt Sega thought that Sony wasn't a threat and tried to recoup some of those finances with the higher priced Saturn which bit them in the arse.

When we look at the OG Xbox it sold poorly compared to others and the 360 was so advanced ahead of the PS2 the graphics were night and day difference and released a year earlier than the PS3 which got it a lot of sales. When released at the same time as a Sony console the Xbox hasn't fared so well.

XB1 was around 60 million consoles behind last gen and its looking even worse this gen, MS money is keeping it on the market.

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#2 Last_Lap
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@pc_rocks said:
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The OP had a chance to buy helldivers 2 on his PS5 but instead bought it on the PC, he also bought his only other game purchase this year on PC too when it's readily available on his PS5.

The OP is not a cow he's a hermit.

How did you @SolidGame_basic let wenzen steal the cow crown from you? You need to put wenzen in his place since he's joined the hermit race.

DOn't insult us. No hermit considers GoW 4 having a good story, let alone a good game.

He's has purchased his last 2 games on PC (even a Sony owned ip in Helldivers 2) instead of his PS3, so he's one of you guys now, congrats 🤣

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#3 Last_Lap
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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@last_lap: well, whatever lol. We each think we're right, and that's fine. There's probably no right or wrong answer to this anyways.

It's not a matter of wrong or right answer as such. I'm just letting people know that if they want to play the game the money from purchasing the game (currently 65% off on the Xbox store right now, still you can find a cheaper copy on Ebay) will go to the makers of the game and not to EA who already have enough money.

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@sealionact said:

Even with the Mega Drive variants, those numbers don’t top Nintendos….and if we then include Nintendo variants we have to add another 5.7 m consoles which puts the Mega drive into a distant second place in a two horse race….why you are trying to discount sales in Japan is beyond me.

360 sales were not a huge gap behind ps3 if at all, given that Xbox stopped releasing sales numbers at 85.4 m while ps3 sold 87.5m.

Regardless, the question was whether Sega or Xbox was a better competitor to Sony. Sega failed at the first hurdle with Dreamcast, while Xbox is still in the race.

You are wrong again the Sega Saturn was in direct competition to the PS1, then the Dreamcast came out it was competing against the PS2. So, Sega fought for 2 gens with Sony, but its poor decisions before the Playstation was a thing left them in a not so good financial position.

So please do some research on Sega before you post as you've made it very clear you know very little about them.

The only reason Xbox is on the market (let's not say race when Phil has already declared Xbox lost) is because MS is a trillion-dollar company.

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Hate it or not. Xbox have better exclusive lineup

  • Clockwork revolution
  • Indiana Jones
  • Avowed
  • Blade by Arkane

all I hope Doom is not exclusive because its too big of franchise to be exclusive.

Doom is not as big as you think it is. Name one Doom game that has sold over 10 million copies.

without Doom you wont be playing any 3D game.

without Quake. there wont be free mouse look.

invent genre. revolutionize gaming.

Wolfenstein predates Doom by 19 months

Wolfenstein release date 5th May 1992

Doom release date 10th December 1993

Back then devs used to churn out games in a year.

You would think that you of all people would know this considering Doom is one of your favourite franchises of all time.

If I take your route there would be no Doom without Wolfenstein 3D, and without Wolfenstein 3D well 3D games would have never been invented, but that would be a ridiculous statement because someone would have came up with a 3D game eventually.

But none of your nonsense touched on the fact that Doom is not too big of a franchise, as not a single entry in the series has sold more than 10 million copies and the games are on everything.

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@sealionact said:
@Jag85 said:
@luxuryheart said:

Xbox. Xbox ain't doing so hot now, but the best direct competition that Sony ever had was the Xbox 360. That system was scalping Sony for a long time, until Sony just went all in on the games. I mean, we all romanticize Sega and all, but when Sony entered the race, Sega got slaughter. Xbox was at least able to keep pace with them for a generation.

This is not a fair comparison, as you're comparing Xbox in its prime to Sega past its prime. You have to compare prime to prime for a fair assessment:

  • When Sega was in its prime, Mega Drive was the market leader for years and ended up second place.
  • When Xbox was in its prime, Xbox 360 was in second place for years and ended up third place.

In terms of market share, prime Sega clearly performed better than prime Xbox.

Sega in their prime were in a distant 2nd place. Mega Drive sold 30m, while the Super N sold 49m…Mega Drive was not the market leader worldwide. They were second place for years and ended up collapsing due to poor hardware decisions (32x, mega cd) which meant they were never a serious competitor to Sony.

In terms of market share, Sega’s systems never came close to competing. Xbox 360 did, and even the much maligned Xbox one sold more than Segas best selling console which was sold at the height of the video game hype.

You are talking crap. None of Sega's consoles were sold at the height of the "video game hype" as you call it.

The Sega Mega Drive is reported to be between 30-40 million consoles sold while the SNES is 54 million.

Now compare that with the sales of the PS3 & Xbox 360 which are both at just over 85 million each. Please do some research before you talk out of your arse next time.

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@ghosts4ever said:

Hate it or not. Xbox have better exclusive lineup

  • Clockwork revolution
  • Indiana Jones
  • Avowed
  • Blade by Arkane

all I hope Doom is not exclusive because its too big of franchise to be exclusive.

Doom is not as big as you think it is. Name one Doom game that has sold over 10 million copies.

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@hrt_rulz01: I have to disagree with you mate, I think the Switch is selling because its gimmicky being half handheld half console. Let's not forget that the Switches highest selling game is a Wii U game in Mario Kart.

I find it the same as the Wii, it sold over 100 million units but most of the game were average at best. Yes the Switches library is better but its still the same Mario, Zelda & Pokemon for the most part from Nintendo.

I want Nintendo to make a more mature game every now and then but they're stuck in the 80's/90's with colourful cartoonish games.

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@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:
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@last_lap said:

The OP had a chance to buy helldivers 2 on his PS5 but instead bought it on the PC, he also bought his only other game purchase this year on PC too when it's readily available on his PS5.

The OP is not a cow he's a hermit.

How did you @SolidGame_basic let wenzen steal the cow crown from you? You need to put wenzen in his place since he's joined the hermit race.

I am a loyal cow, but a disappointed one. One that is tired of this shit.

I know you're tired of it that's why you have transitioned to PC, you just have to admit it to yourself, the rest of us already know.

Disagree.

Your gaming purchases prove otherwise, you will come around to accept it sooner or later.

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@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:

The OP had a chance to buy helldivers 2 on his PS5 but instead bought it on the PC, he also bought his only other game purchase this year on PC too when it's readily available on his PS5.

The OP is not a cow he's a hermit.

How did you @SolidGame_basic let wenzen steal the cow crown from you? You need to put wenzen in his place since he's joined the hermit race.

I am a loyal cow, but a disappointed one. One that is tired of this shit.

I know you're tired of it that's why you have transitioned to PC, you just have to admit it to yourself, the rest of us already know.