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#1 sealionact
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@last_lap said:
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Even with the Mega Drive variants, those numbers don’t top Nintendos….and if we then include Nintendo variants we have to add another 5.7 m consoles which puts the Mega drive into a distant second place in a two horse race….why you are trying to discount sales in Japan is beyond me.

360 sales were not a huge gap behind ps3 if at all, given that Xbox stopped releasing sales numbers at 85.4 m while ps3 sold 87.5m.

Regardless, the question was whether Sega or Xbox was a better competitor to Sony. Sega failed at the first hurdle with Dreamcast, while Xbox is still in the race.

You are wrong again the Sega Saturn was in direct competition to the PS1, then the Dreamcast came out it was competing against the PS2. So, Sega fought for 2 gens with Sony, but its poor decisions before the Playstation was a thing left them in a not so good financial position.

So please do some research on Sega before you post as you've made it very clear you know very little about them.

The only reason Xbox is on the market (let's not say race when Phil has already declared Xbox lost) is because MS is a trillion-dollar company.

Yes, you’re right. Saturn was Segas hope against PlayStation. But it didn’t fail because of a lack of finances. It failed because it was more expensive, harder to develop for than a PS, was way worse at 3d games, suffered from a bizarre conceptual advertising campaign and just didn’t get the same support from 3rd party devs.

Sega didn’t win against Nintendo in any race and utterly failed to compete against Sony. Xbox at least went neck and neck with Sony with the 360 and has the staying power to compete.

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@lamprey263 said:

Cows have only themselves to blame. They have given Sony so many free passes and carried their water for them when they should have provided constructive criticism that no wonder we're where we're at.

Even with modern games that still don't use the array of optimization tools at developers disposal, PS community is content with the outcome as long as Digital Foundry declares the PS version better than the Xbox, rather than say that these devs can do better and should. This is why we can't have nice things.

Even now Sony's considering finally making PS1/PS2 classics playable locally through emulation and like dear god they're 10 years too late. They needed this back when Xbox was bringing BC to XB1 consoles but Sony wanted to milk their streaming service rather than honor PS1/PS2 digital purchase entitlements from the PS3's BC catalog, expand their offerings. And the whole time the fanbase was like "LOL... winning!... rather play new games than old ones derp". This is why we can't have nice things.

Because Sony didn't even consider the idea of BC until final months before PS5's release they didn't have the ability to handle any of the features Xbox offered like Play Anywhere and Smart Delivery features. Sony instead pushed the $70 game and paid next gen upgrades. The fans gave them a free pass, and this is why we can't have nice things.

Worth mentioning is modern gaming still offers lots of worthwhile games to play on all systems. Developers and publishers are increasingly realizing console exclusive arrangements aren't as lucrative as they once were and they're far more successful making games available across multiple devices. Yet this sours cows, now these games aren't worth playing because they might as well not be games any longer because they're not for cows and only cows. This is why we can't have nice things.

They have to hate Xbox so much and attacked Game Pass to such a degree they're allergic to even their own game subscription services. They got high on their own supply. And rather demand PS Plus be more like Game Pass to allow for day one first party releases and day one third party releases, Sony sees no need to be competitive in this arena, fans have spoken. This is why we can't have nice things.

Despite them praising to high heaven their rather well polished yet still remarkably average as games games, most the fanbase are plebes who only wanna play Roblox and COD and GTA V online and Fortnite, the big live service games, and of course the big annual sports games like Madden and NBA 2K. This is why we can't have nice things.

What would make Sony step up their game would be to buy an Xbox. Worked wonders for the 7th gen. But since the days the Sony fanboys ran the NeoGAF forums and ran it as a Sony fanboy circle-jerk safe-space, and the press treaded it as the industry water cooler and echoed every carefully curated forum thread, this is why we can't have nice things. Even now the press is sticking their fat gamer asses on the scales for Sony like good little brainwashed cultists and though they try feigning neutrality and objectivity, they still have senile fits of Sony fanboy Tourette's that flurry up whenever their Sony fanboy insecurities pop up, usually in form of attacking Xbox with some hatchetjob articles that get circulated online. Now nobofy who owns a PS console would ever consider getting an Xbox even if their PS console is a massive disappointment to them. There'll be no voting with their wallets. This is why we can't have nice things.

Dude, blame yourself, blame yourselves, this is a mess of all y'all cows making. Spent too long circle jerking in your safe space the moment you stuck your head out of the bubble for air you finally gained the disillusioned perspective you needed for years. Good for you for getting at least that far.

Insert “He’s right you know” GIF here. Cows are their own worst enemy. They stopped buying Sonys AAA games at the same rate as previous games, which left Sony with very little to show for the huge investments AAA games need these days.
Sony doesn’t have a plan B, and here we are…people like Wenzen have stopped playing games on their ps5, and Sony have ended up cancelling games leaving huge gaps in their calendar - and when the next game comes out there’s nothing to differentiate from the last game that failed to generate the types of figures needed to continue down the AAA road.

As a Lem, I’m not happy about this because Xbox needs a competitor to push the envelope. That’s why Xbox has a bigger better library for 2024 and beyond, a better subscription service, free cloud saves and more.

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Even with the Mega Drive variants, those numbers don’t top Nintendos….and if we then include Nintendo variants we have to add another 5.7 m consoles which puts the Mega drive into a distant second place in a two horse race….why you are trying to discount sales in Japan is beyond me.
360 sales were not a huge gap behind ps3 if at all, given that Xbox stopped releasing sales numbers at 85.4 m while ps3 sold 87.5m.

Regardless, the question was whether Sega or Xbox was a better competitor to Sony. Sega failed at the first hurdle with Dreamcast, while Xbox is still in the race.

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@Jag85 said:
@luxuryheart said:

Xbox. Xbox ain't doing so hot now, but the best direct competition that Sony ever had was the Xbox 360. That system was scalping Sony for a long time, until Sony just went all in on the games. I mean, we all romanticize Sega and all, but when Sony entered the race, Sega got slaughter. Xbox was at least able to keep pace with them for a generation.

This is not a fair comparison, as you're comparing Xbox in its prime to Sega past its prime. You have to compare prime to prime for a fair assessment:

  • When Sega was in its prime, Mega Drive was the market leader for years and ended up second place.
  • When Xbox was in its prime, Xbox 360 was in second place for years and ended up third place.

In terms of market share, prime Sega clearly performed better than prime Xbox.

Sega in their prime were in a distant 2nd place. Mega Drive sold 30m, while the Super N sold 49m…Mega Drive was not the market leader worldwide. They were second place for years and ended up collapsing due to poor hardware decisions (32x, mega cd) which meant they were never a serious competitor to Sony.
In terms of market share, Sega’s systems never came close to competing. Xbox 360 did, and even the much maligned Xbox one sold more than Segas best selling console which was sold at the height of the video game hype.

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@uninspiredcup said:

This thread is so silly.

Solid should be ashamed.

Not sure if it was a serious post.

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@SolidGame_basic: Sega were basically dead men walking after 1996. 32X and Mega CD sold poorly, and were followed up by the Saturn and Dreamcast which never competed with Sony’s or Nintendo’s offerings. Sega only really ever had Sonic that stood up to Nintendo or Sony’s 1st party games and as such they were more or less out of the game in the mid nineties.
Xbox entered the market with a bang, offering a way more powerful, online console that had titles like Halo, Forza, Splinter cell, Dead or alive, Fable, Far Cry instincts and Riddick. That console established Xbox as a threat to PS and went head to head on the next gen.
Xbox console sales have trailed, but they are still Sony’s main competitor, because Xbox are pushing the narrative; subscription model, PC releases and GAAS titles are all on PS because Xbox forced Sony to follow suit.

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Recent Xbox news; gaming revenue +62%, new studio opened, COD blops day one on Gamepass, fallout 4 and sea of thieves outselling Sony titles on pc, Starfield 60fps patch, 6 first party games before end of 2024, new hardware announcement confirmed and full steam ahead on next gen.

Cows; 3 failed studios closed with one of them merging…..”Xbox is doomed”.

Meanwhile, Sony loses their head honcho, no games by Sony studios until April 2025, and the “Cow of the year” on these boards is disillusioned with Sony and hasn’t played on his ps5 since 2023.

But, yeah….Xbox leaders need to be fired🤷‍♂️😅

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@BenjaminBanklin: All this tells me is that Xbox players have better games to play. Unsurprising that a ps5 console unsupported by Sony would have a fan base desperate to play something….anything. Tekken is a steaming pile of doodoo, and no respectable fighting fanbase would be seen buying it.