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Watching Trump‘s statement after the verdict and then his press conference, every single thing he says is an emotional appeal. Every. Single. Sentence. It’s rigged, it’s the corrupt democrats, a weaponized DOJ, the Biden crime family, the U.S. is being destroyed, blah blah blah. Same old tired vomit from the same old tired victim windbag.

Trump‘s appeal is simple for me to understand: I think most people don’t want to be moderate, they don’t want to hold respectful political disagreements. They want to hate the other, explicitly and without reservation, they are tired of being bound by the societal expectations of politically correct civil discourse, and they want full license to go to war and a fighter who isn’t afraid to speak that hatred for the other side. Trump provides this in spades, and it is why he has such fervent, nigh religious, cultish support. It simply took someone whose character was so decrepit and who is so unreserved in being a shithead to the other side to have people finally let go of their civil decorums.

The hilarious thing is, Trump doesn’t have a principled or ideologically slanted bone in his entire body. He goes with whatever opportunes his interests at any given moment, only aligning with conservatism because it’s the most conducive to the vileness of his character and the manner of toxic, divisive demagoguery he employs. Liberalism wouldn’t be nearly so ripe for the picking. It’s highly ironic that someone who has garnered some of the most vehement support in a major political party’s history honestly couldn’t care less about it past how he can manipulate its partisan potency to leverage him to power. It’d be funny if it wasn’t such a danger.

I suppose most people don’t care, as long as he grants them license to openly despise the opposition while being an advocate for their political views, regardless of whether he himself believes in it or not.

You don’t support law and order when you determine and disregard the legitimacy of the legal merits and verdict of a case on political grounds and partisan sentiment/individual favor/disfavor. Just like you don’t support democracy only when it falls in your favor and it is always fraudulent whenever you lose. Trump and his supporters do both these things, hence they support neither.

I‘m not a lawyer or legally versed, so I can’t speak with any credibility or knowledge on the legal nuances and intricacies this case is predicated upon, but I trust that if this outcome is as legally without merit and spurious as you and others claim, the appeals process will demonstrate so.

….but I will honor and respect any verdict, as I have, regardless of whether I hold misgivings or if it aligns with my ideological views or like/dislike of a particular. That is what supporting law and order is.

So just to be clear…..you don’t believe in law and order. Got it.

I feel oddly indifferent about this. Maybe still sinking in….

I don’t think he’s going to see a second of any real consequence regardless of the verdict, but it’s nice that he is now, technically, a convicted felon. Can we at least get past the ‘what are the exact crimes and charges?’ talk now?

Seems to me the adjudication is done, now to see if the Trumpers honor law and order as they claim, or if, as usual, it’s only legitimate when they win.

You don't need to say it ITT, you've stated this position numerous times in others, and in other exchanges we've had. It's not a deflection, it directly bears on your desire to substantiate evidence in the establishment of the claims of Trump's guilt. If you're going to demand evidence, then prove you stand behind it when it doesn't serve your favor.

Let's settle this: state here and now that you believe the 2020 election was legitimate, not stolen, that Trump's claims are blatant lies, and Biden is the legitimately elected president.

Aside, I honestly don't even care about this case. Who honestly cares if Trump paid off a porn star? This is not pressing to national interests, IMO, everyone with a brain cell in their head knows Trump is a liar and corrupt. I do, however, care about the attempt to overthrow our elections, along with bragging to others using our classified information. That is where his lies and corruption directly affect me and my country.

You don’t care about evidence, Sarge. If you did, you wouldn’t believe that the election was stolen.

What good is it to provide evidence when evidence is accepted or discounted not on its own merits, but due to partisan politics and tribalism?

You're not operating in good faith in your request, and you know it. Don’t waste our time.

You don’t care about evidence, Sarge. If you did, you wouldn’t believe that the election was stolen.

Nothing precludes him from developing further games, he can easily do so if he wants to. I’d wager his decision is more of a creative discretion than a business one.

In his position with his wealth, “selling out” doesn’t really apply.

That price strikes me as an undervaluation.

I think this would give Gabe a good chuckle. He’s not selling out.