Most Brits reckon Brexit has failed, new poll finds

Yes, it does. My father (retired) was in the Machinists Union and worked at Boeing in Oak Ridge, so I have some pretty deep insight into what was going on.

The Union has their own QC. Several levels of it, actually, before passing it off to corporate QC. Not only that, they constantly train and retrain their members above and beyond what Boeing required. I remember some shops my father had to take being like wielding, sealants and adhesives, alloys and cathodic protection and so on that the non-union members never took.

The Union treats you as a career employee, not someone just moving through jobs. Because of their extra training, Union employees are often promoted far more often than non-union.

It does take the Union a little extra time because they are there to do the job right, not run out the clock. The multi-level QC controls don't happen in an instant.

Something tells me you've never looked into what Unions actually are, how they empower the worker, and the benefits offered for the employer.

Wonder why?

Unions were a major driver in making America a manufacturing powerhouse. As their power has dwindled, so has our manufacturing sector.

Hell, to hear people actually from the 1950's tell it, Unions are what makes us American.

I can't edit in the video so I'm double-posting. Fix your shit, Gamespot.

A little bit of a tangent but this seems the perfect spot to bring this up. Yeah three posts in a row, ban me.

People have forgotten that quality is profitable. People used to pay more for GM because it was quality. People used to pay more for Craftsman because it was quality. People used to pay more for Tonka toys because they were made out of pure fucking metal. Also, quality.

You don't have to race to be the cheapest or to have the most market share to be the most profitable. Look at Apple: their market share is pretty piddling but they're the richest company in history. It's because whether you like the Apple ecosystem or not, you gotta give props to the quality of their products.

We've got these business majors running everything down to the lowest cost, and quality products have disappeared from many consumer products. Everyone is offering the cheapest parts with the highest margins. So they're all the same, and no one stands out.

Quality sells. It may not conquer the market share, but you build a strong brand base and you'll actually make more money with a smaller market share.

@br0kenrabbit: Quality sells but it's only profitable if over expensive. Apple being a good example for the worst reasons. Apple is more of a marketing phenomena built upon their legacy, am idea of quality and prestige that less and less translates to reality.

But I do generally agree and I even made a comment yesterday tangentially similar, how Activision or Bungee's acquisition being guided not by making high quality games but by their ability to squeeze money from their users. As I've said I think there comes a point in capitalism when the costumer stops being at the centre and becomes just cattle because we "need" perpetual growth.

The bin got in 8th place of 17.

Sorry Brits, this thread is about America now.

We should have ended you when we had the chance.

Sincerest apologies.

We don't send our best Americans to Gamespot forums. We send the arrogant and disruptive ones that love to derail threads and make it all about America. Half of the time, they're too full of themselves to realize they're trampling over other people's flowers.

It's the daily mail headlines I've seen. Ehr front page I guess is more accurate to say.

Notice how I said not all Unions are created equal. In the case of Boeing it seems that may have been a Union that was actually offering benefits to both the employees and the customers( through better safety regulation). In designing aircrafts that is absolutely necessary.

However my experience with a Union was quite different. I used to work for AT&T several years ago. Essentially what it did was allowed some of the most worthless and laziest people keep their jobs for far longer than they should have. I'll never forget there was a manager who would come in every day in a wheelchair who would randomly go on leave for a physical disability. She would take 3 week vacations at a time. We all suspected she knew someone that was filling out her medical forms to get away with it but nobody could prove anything. Until one week one of the employees saw her at a club dancing while she was on leave and took a picture of it. He held on to the picture for several months and when she wrote him up for some BS reason he turned in the picture to a regional manager who was finally able to get her fired. These scenarios are all to common.

I don't know perhaps they can find a balance between the two. But I've had bad experiences with them. A friend of mine who worked for the post office had similar stories.

Tried it twice, couldn't do it. 😁

self inspection? good lord that's terrifying.

I design computers for a living and if ( when ) I **** up, if it's not caught maybe my employer loses money or their clients do. The point is, nobody dies. This is a fucking airplane ffs.

And we have teams of other people inspecting our work to make sure we've done our jobs correctly. There are countless times I'd swear something was correct only to have the problem be found by someone else's eyes.

People are typically pretty blind to their own ****-ups. Just a natural human thing I guess.

Dead people don't complain and yo're not backed by the US government, are you?

Not surprising.

Populist ideas sound really nice in theory*. But in practice, they tend to oversimplify reality and fall flat on their face once put into practice.

*To people who don't know any better. Anyone who has even the faintest grasp of modern economics could see Brexit for the disaster it was.

Edit: lol at the responses from a certain someone in this thread. Immigration is not the prevailing political issules in the UK, it was for a brief period of time with fearmongering from certain actors. But by and large, britain's most impacrful issue, alongside the rest of europe, is that we never really truly got out of the recession. As well as a crumbling and underfunded NHS.

@Maroxad: Yep. Anyone with a bit of education knew exactly what would happen with Brexit, it was all downsides with no real positives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWgAOFM3HN0

It's pretty much that simple.

Oh, but it succeeded in doing exactly what every reasonable person said would happen. The fuckers who voted to leave are just too dumb to admit it.

Brexit never happened in the first place. There was a vote and the majority voted for a clean break away from the EU. That never happened!

It was pretty obvious. And when you have MAGAs and their rapist leader plus Putin's fanboys cheering for it, you can be sure who it will serve. But alas, the last 10 years have been defined by the rise of the western morons so whatever. Might as well let things burn to the ground.