haven't played orange box yet - comes out here this friday (19th oct), it does look pretty cool tho and i might get it as i haven't played most of the content included. the graphics probably do look a little old - so long as the physics are OK though it shouldn't matter too much.talking about pc games being released on the 360 tho - the new fear has a demo out on xbox live and the graphics on that are absolutely terrible, theylook almost like previous generation quality graphics.

one last point - some people in this thread have said that the halo 3 graphics are not that special either. i have to agree, in multiplayer especiallythey are horribly basic, most notably"the pit" map and when you pick up a mounted gun/flame thrower etc. where youview in 3rd person. also the guns are way toounderpowered!! a whole clip to kill someone with the assualt rifle and then often amelee attack aswell!? wtf