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#201 Pedro
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@davillain: The few black characters that debut in games in the past never triggered the recent intense racism under the guise of woke, but here we are.🤷🏽‍♂️

"I am not racist, I just don't want certain people in my games because of 'reasons'".😏

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#202 Jag85
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@Jag85: Did we all forget Samurai Warriors 5 existed in the past? I don't remember the outcry it got since Yasuke was in it and the game came out back in June 2021. Samurai Warrior 5 is a Japanese game made with Japanese developers in mind who treat Yasuke with more respect than what we see outcry is just silly to me.

And we do have a Black Samurai in the game Way of the Samurai but even back then, I never suspected he was based on Yasuke anyway.

Yasuke has been featured in a bunch of Japanese media:

Japanese tweet

Yasuke is fairly well-known in Japan, so Japanese gamers aren't shocked like Western gamers. AssCreed is the first Western game to feature Yasuke, but he's already been featured as a samurai in a number of earlier Japanese games.

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#203 Chutebox
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@Jag85: Even in those tweets people are debating what is what.

Interesting read at least.

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#204 hardwenzen
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I am also not really understanding what the hell is he supposed to be in the game? Its one of the two playable characters, but this is an AssCreed game, a game that is centered around bending in, and assassinating your targets. How the **** are you supposed to do that with a 6.8feet black guy in Japan with a fucking mace on his shoulder? Did ubishop wen't full braindead on this one or what?

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#205  Edited By hardwenzen
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@hardwenzen said:

I am also not really understanding what the hell is he supposed to be in the game? Its one of the two playable characters, but this is an AssCreed game, a game that is centered around bending in, and assassinating your targets. How the **** are you supposed to do that with a 6.8feet black guy in Japan with a fucking mace on his shoulder? Did ubishop wen't full braindead on this one or what?

You don't. He is a combat character that only uses stealth to get an early advantage on his enemies.

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#207 hardwenzen
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@texasgoldrush said:
@hardwenzen said:

I am also not really understanding what the hell is he supposed to be in the game? Its one of the two playable characters, but this is an AssCreed game, a game that is centered around bending in, and assassinating your targets. How the **** are you supposed to do that with a 6.8feet black guy in Japan with a fucking mace on his shoulder? Did ubishop wen't full braindead on this one or what?

You don't. He is a combat character that only uses stealth to get an early advantage on his enemies.

VERY ASSCREED OF THEM TO HAVE THAT. Using the name of the title for nothing else but recognition at this point.

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#208 texasgoldrush
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@hardwenzen said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@hardwenzen said:

I am also not really understanding what the hell is he supposed to be in the game? Its one of the two playable characters, but this is an AssCreed game, a game that is centered around bending in, and assassinating your targets. How the **** are you supposed to do that with a 6.8feet black guy in Japan with a fucking mace on his shoulder? Did ubishop wen't full braindead on this one or what?

You don't. He is a combat character that only uses stealth to get an early advantage on his enemies.

VERY ASSCREED OF THEM TO HAVE THAT. Using the name of the title for nothing else but recognition at this point.

Or that people prefer the newest games and want to play that style.

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#209 PC_Rocks
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could you people stop saying far-left or left? It's actually liberal who co-opted the left thing by just restricting it to "social/cultural" appropriation just like how the US co-opted MLK after his death. 100% sure these same "far-left" people has no interest in economic equality, equity or rights. It's Ubisoft, banking on controversy for marketing.

/Political rant over

It's Ubisoft, no matter what, will be sh*t.

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#210 dark_drag765
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130$ for the complete version of a check list open world game? No thanks

The main character being black has nothing to do with my apathy towards this cash grab... I hope for diversity in gaming but this is not it.

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#211 texasgoldrush
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Well what do you know.

Pre-orders are strong. The silent majority has spoken.

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#212 texasgoldrush
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@dark_drag765 said:

130$ for the complete version of a check list open world game? No thanks

The main character being black has nothing to do with my apathy towards this cash grab... I hope for diversity in gaming but this is not it.

almost every open world game is checklist.

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#213  Edited By hardwenzen
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@texasgoldrush said:
@dark_drag765 said:

130$ for the complete version of a check list open world game? No thanks

The main character being black has nothing to do with my apathy towards this cash grab... I hope for diversity in gaming but this is not it.

almost every open world game is checklist.

And none of them are $130 either.

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#214 hardwenzen
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566k down votes on the main channel. Holy shit.

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#215 hardwenzen
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Youtube comments are great, plain n simple

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#216 Pedro
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@texasgoldrush said:
@dark_drag765 said:

130$ for the complete version of a check list open world game? No thanks

The main character being black has nothing to do with my apathy towards this cash grab... I hope for diversity in gaming but this is not it.

almost every open world game is checklist.

This is true.

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#217 uninspiredcup
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The main thing that's disgusting here isn't the racism, in the sense Ubisoft are exploiting black people as is IGN with rage-bait trying to upset teenage boys, this will probably actually sell more because of their black exploitation, and will be hailed as a "woke win", with Assassins' Creed being held up as a game example of something good, rather than a bad game in a bad franchise that was never good.

Very sad.

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#218 texasgoldrush
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@hardwenzen said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@dark_drag765 said:

130$ for the complete version of a check list open world game? No thanks

The main character being black has nothing to do with my apathy towards this cash grab... I hope for diversity in gaming but this is not it.

almost every open world game is checklist.

And none of them are $130 either.

There is also a more reasonable $110 version.

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#219 texasgoldrush
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@hardwenzen said:

566k down votes on the main channel. Holy shit.

Yet it isn't affecting pre orders.

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#220 hardwenzen
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@texasgoldrush said:
@hardwenzen said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@dark_drag765 said:

130$ for the complete version of a check list open world game? No thanks

The main character being black has nothing to do with my apathy towards this cash grab... I hope for diversity in gaming but this is not it.

almost every open world game is checklist.

And none of them are $130 either.

There is also a more reasonable $110 version.

Oh yea $110 is perfectly reasonable BTW🤣🤣🤣

@texasgoldrush said:
@hardwenzen said:

566k down votes on the main channel. Holy shit.

Yet it isn't affecting pre orders.

The game is gonna tank hard. And since this is a live service game OOOOOOF.

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#221 uninspiredcup
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Game def won't tank. Gamers are dim and buy this slop on a loop.

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#222 texasgoldrush
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@hardwenzen said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@hardwenzen said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@dark_drag765 said:

130$ for the complete version of a check list open world game? No thanks

The main character being black has nothing to do with my apathy towards this cash grab... I hope for diversity in gaming but this is not it.

almost every open world game is checklist.

And none of them are $130 either.

There is also a more reasonable $110 version.

Oh yea $110 is perfectly reasonable BTW🤣🤣🤣

@texasgoldrush said:
@hardwenzen said:

566k down votes on the main channel. Holy shit.

Yet it isn't affecting pre orders.

The game is gonna tank hard. And since this is a live service game OOOOOOF.

Except judging by expansions in the past, they are worth the price.

Game isn't tanking now, once again pre orders are strong, And it isn't really a live service game.

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#223 sakaiXx
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You know.... why not ubisoft just close issue by having japanese vote on the matter?

Why not we just get vote on whether japanese offended by this.

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#224 hardwenzen
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@texasgoldrush said:
@hardwenzen said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@hardwenzen said:
@texasgoldrush said:

almost every open world game is checklist.

And none of them are $130 either.

There is also a more reasonable $110 version.

Oh yea $110 is perfectly reasonable BTW🤣🤣🤣

@texasgoldrush said:
@hardwenzen said:

566k down votes on the main channel. Holy shit.

Yet it isn't affecting pre orders.

The game is gonna tank hard. And since this is a live service game OOOOOOF.

Except judging by expansions in the past, they are worth the price.

Game isn't tanking now, once again pre orders are strong, And it isn't really a live service game.

Its an Ubi game, it won't only tank, it will be trolled into the ground. Starfield pre orders were strong as well, and look where it got em... its so bad MS is forced to put their first party on the ps5.

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#225 texasgoldrush
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@hardwenzen: Assassin's Creed isn't Starfield.

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#226 hardwenzen
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@texasgoldrush said:

@hardwenzen: Assassin's Creed isn't Starfield.

Yes, it doesn't have anywhere near the amount of hype, and Ubishop is being hated on harder than Activision or blizzard. I don't think you comperehend the impact this will have on its live service.

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#227 texasgoldrush
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@hardwenzen said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@hardwenzen: Assassin's Creed isn't Starfield.

Yes, it doesn't have anywhere near the amount of hype, and Ubishop is being hated on harder than Activision or blizzard. I don't think you comperehend the impact this will have on its live service.

Except its a game from a franchise that sold over 200 million copies.

And all the "hate" for the game is a vocal minority and the preorders are showing this.

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#228  Edited By Nirgal
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I think this game will definitely sell better because of the controversy (which I don't like as a strategy).

But I also don't think the inclusion of a black samurai should be a controversy in the first place. Didn't we have a white samurai in nioh without a controversy?

Besides, this is an actual historical character with good data to back up his existence.

I don't agree with the opposition to this.

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#229 D4RKL1NG
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Absolute gamer moments. Like the AC games were never an alternate twist on historical figures. I doubt Da vinci actually made hidden blades for assassins. So if Yasuke wasn't a "true" weeb what does it matter? It works as an alternate time line where he did become a full blown samurai.

The real problem is them dropping a fire CG trailer (ngl the trailer was hype for me) for your typical overpriced mediocre Ubislop games.

But don't ask questions, consume product and get excited for next product

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#230  Edited By Pedro
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@sakaixx: Why should they have a vote? Votes weren't needed for Samurai Warrior 5 or for games like Nioh.

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#231 sakaiXx
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@Pedro: I mean why not. Reports say some section of japanese audience disliked the role of Yasuke.

The nioh guy is based on a pretty big deal guy in japan. That important he remembered with statues and memorials in both Japan and UK.

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#232  Edited By Pedro
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@sakaixx: So again, why is a vote needed for Yasuke and not Nioh?

He was in Samurai Warriors 5. Why must he need validation with a vote?

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#233 sakaiXx
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@Pedro: as per others mentioned. Reception to the character is mixed in japan compared to your comparable characters.

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#234 Jag85
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@hardwenzen said:

I am also not really understanding what the hell is he supposed to be in the game? Its one of the two playable characters, but this is an AssCreed game, a game that is centered around bending in, and assassinating your targets. How the **** are you supposed to do that with a 6.8feet black guy in Japan with a fucking mace on his shoulder? Did ubishop wen't full braindead on this one or what?

According to Ubisoft, they both have different roles:

Naoe is the stealth-oriented ninja assassin.

Yasuke is the combat-oriented samurai warrior.

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#235 Nirgal
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@sakaixx: It doesn't matter that reception is mixed. Not all characters will be liked by all the audience.

And besides, this character hasn't even been developed yet. So it could be well liked when the games comes out.

They are not claiming this guy is japanese. They are not distorting history. They just took a non japanese and made him the lead of a game set in Japan.

This has happened many times.

It should not be a controversy.

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#236 Pedro
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@sakaixx said:

@Pedro: as per others mentioned. Reception to the character is mixed in japan compared to your comparable characters.

Yasuke is literally in Samurai Warriors 5 and it was made by a Japanese developer. Why is a vote needed now when it wasn't needed then? Mix reception about any character in any game has never been proposed to a vote. So, why are you requesting that a nation vote on this issue?

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#237 MyCatIsMilk
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Well, I'll continue enjoying games that tell a good story with excellent gamplay, and wonderful characters. Sadly, Assassins Creed hasn't fallen into that category for a long time, if they ever did. :3

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#238 Sushiglutton
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@Jag85 said:
@hardwenzen said:

I am also not really understanding what the hell is he supposed to be in the game? Its one of the two playable characters, but this is an AssCreed game, a game that is centered around bending in, and assassinating your targets. How the **** are you supposed to do that with a 6.8feet black guy in Japan with a fucking mace on his shoulder? Did ubishop wen't full braindead on this one or what?

According to Ubisoft, they both have different roles:

Naoe is the stealth-oriented ninja assassin.

Yasuke is the combat-oriented samurai warrior.

Basically Naoe seems designed for those who want to play classic Assassin's Creed and Yasuke for those who want more of an action game set in Japan. I'm cool with that.

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#239 Willy105
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Actually interested in playing this AC game, first time in a long while.

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#240  Edited By Jag85
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@sakaixx said:

@Pedro: I mean why not. Reports say some section of japanese audience disliked the role of Yasuke.

The nioh guy is based on a pretty big deal guy in japan. That important he remembered with statues and memorials in both Japan and UK.

On Japanese Twitter, most Japanese users are fine with Yasuke as the co-protagonist. Japanese reactions range from saying he's "kakkoii" ("cool") and defending his role in the game to being confused over why so many foreign gaijin are outraged. But yes, there are a minority of Japanese users who are offended (mainly critics of "political correctness"), yet even they're confused over gaijin being more offended than Japanese people.

In the UK, I've never seen any statues of William Adams anywhere and very few Brits knew who he was until Shogun on Netflix (except for historians or Nioh fans).

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#241 hardwenzen
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@Jag85 said:
@hardwenzen said:

I am also not really understanding what the hell is he supposed to be in the game? Its one of the two playable characters, but this is an AssCreed game, a game that is centered around bending in, and assassinating your targets. How the **** are you supposed to do that with a 6.8feet black guy in Japan with a fucking mace on his shoulder? Did ubishop wen't full braindead on this one or what?

According to Ubisoft, they both have different roles:

Naoe is the stealth-oriented ninja assassin.

Yasuke is the combat-oriented samurai warrior.

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So in other words, its not an AssCreed game, and just an rpg with the AssCreed name to move copies.

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#242 hardwenzen
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@Sushiglutton said:
@Jag85 said:
@hardwenzen said:

I am also not really understanding what the hell is he supposed to be in the game? Its one of the two playable characters, but this is an AssCreed game, a game that is centered around bending in, and assassinating your targets. How the **** are you supposed to do that with a 6.8feet black guy in Japan with a fucking mace on his shoulder? Did ubishop wen't full braindead on this one or what?

According to Ubisoft, they both have different roles:

Naoe is the stealth-oriented ninja assassin.

Yasuke is the combat-oriented samurai warrior.

Basically Naoe seems designed for those who want to play classic Assassin's Creed and Yasuke for those who want more of an action game set in Japan. I'm cool with that.

You know what this reminds me off of? Resi 6. When you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one.🤷‍♂️

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#243 Jag85
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@hardwenzen said:
@Jag85 said:

According to Ubisoft, they both have different roles:

Naoe is the stealth-oriented ninja assassin.

Yasuke is the combat-oriented samurai warrior.

Loading Video...

So in other words, its not an AssCreed game, and just an rpg with the AssCreed name to move copies.

Seems like they're trying to appease fans of both the classic assassin style (with Naoe) and the new action RPG style (with Yasuke)... But like you said, Capcom tried that before with Resident Evil 6 and that backfired.

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#244 judaspete
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@D4RKL1NG: "I doubt Da vinci actually made hidden blades for assassins".

Or hanggliders.

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#245  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@Jag85 said:
@hardwenzen said:
@Jag85 said:

According to Ubisoft, they both have different roles:

Naoe is the stealth-oriented ninja assassin.

Yasuke is the combat-oriented samurai warrior.

Loading Video...

So in other words, its not an AssCreed game, and just an rpg with the AssCreed name to move copies.

Seems like they're trying to appease fans of both the classic assassin style (with Naoe) and the new action RPG style (with Yasuke)... But like you said, Capcom tried that before with Resident Evil 6 and that backfired.

Yasuke does have stealth capability and Naoe can fight, just not as well.

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#246 hardwenzen
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@texasgoldrush said:
@Jag85 said:
@hardwenzen said:
@Jag85 said:

According to Ubisoft, they both have different roles:

Naoe is the stealth-oriented ninja assassin.

Yasuke is the combat-oriented samurai warrior.

Loading Video...

So in other words, its not an AssCreed game, and just an rpg with the AssCreed name to move copies.

Seems like they're trying to appease fans of both the classic assassin style (with Naoe) and the new action RPG style (with Yasuke)... But like you said, Capcom tried that before with Resident Evil 6 and that backfired.

Yasuke does have stealth capability and Naoe can fight, just not as well.

I am sure a 6.8" black guy in Japan will be very stealthy, especially while wearing bulky armor and a massive mace on his shoulder. Great stuff tbh. Only At Ubishop.

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#247 texasgoldrush
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@hardwenzen: Or that he uses stealth to gain an opening combat advantage on the enemy.

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#248 hardwenzen
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@texasgoldrush said:

@hardwenzen: Or that he uses stealth to gain an opening combat advantage on the enemy.

Lets imagine things to make the game look and sound better. No.

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#249 Archangel3371  Online
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It never fails to amuse me with some of the things that some gamers choose to get upset over. 🤦‍♂️😅

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#250 sakaiXx
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@Jag85 said:
@sakaixx said:

@Pedro: I mean why not. Reports say some section of japanese audience disliked the role of Yasuke.

The nioh guy is based on a pretty big deal guy in japan. That important he remembered with statues and memorials in both Japan and UK.

On Japanese Twitter, most Japanese users are fine with Yasuke as the co-protagonist. Japanese reactions range from saying he's "kakkoii" ("cool") and defending his role in the game to being confused over why so many foreign gaijin are outraged. But yes, there are a minority of Japanese users who are offended (mainly critics of "political correctness"), yet even they're confused over gaijin being more offended than Japanese people.

In the UK, I've never seen any statues of William Adams anywhere and very few Brits knew who he was until Shogun on Netflix (except for historians or Nioh fans).

He wasnt important to you guys but definitely the japanese remembers him enough to write lots. I mean you guys colonize quarter of the world idk if some dude stuck in japan is that important in your overall history.