Good for Gamespot: Bioshock Infinite needs to be pummeled.

Woke outrage over a ten year old game. 😂

I’m totally offended that Mario is an Italian plumber also. It’s like they think Italians can only be blue collar workers.

The harrah.

I think the gameplay is dumb too ;) Not just the writing.

Way too linear and devoid of any challenge. Puzzles are an insult to the player's intelligence too, and nothing came close to being as offensive until GoW: Ragnarök.

@Maroxad: Agreed. As I said earlier, I liked nothing about it. The graphics were ok, and that's about it. The game actually also made me not looking forward to whatever future stuff Ken Levine is connected to. If he puts out that, and express how happy and proud he was of the game.. ehh..?

Which proves my point that games media is still stupid.

Read my OP again.

"And its reception proved how dumb gaming media and gaming culture actually was, and still is, as there are positive 10 year retrospectives on it."

Except I criticized this the year it launched.

Didn't say it was perfect, but i liked the approach and it's funny how suddenly everyone is like ... "oh noes", when its nothing more than a so so plot with a few interesting ideas that weren't well executed.

It can be done, there is nothing wrong with tackling that subject regardless your own background. Did Levine did it the proper way ? probably not, but he wasn't completely disrespectful about it.

I'm not from the US so probably that's why that approach didn't bothered me all that much.

I was SOOO disappointed with Infinite. The first two games were masterpieces, but Infinite was pure boredom.

@mesome713:

Never played the game but it's good that a video game touches on the race thing. There is no other race claiming to be superior other than the white race compared to others. Everyone in this world should ask why. There is nothing superior that whites have from God compared to others. Its hilarious to watch on television as well.

If you can't do it the proper way, don't attempt to tackle it.

And at times, I think he was disrespectful.

@eni232: if you think there is no other race claiming to be superior is because you have only lived in one country my friend. Or at least only in western countries.

@nirgal:

What other race is there. Chinese never did it, Slavs never did it, Africans never did it, Arabs never did it, indians never did it, Spanish never did it. In this country they literally bought Africans and enslaved them for free labor. They didn't purchase Chinese, Slavs , Arabs, indians, from anywhere and brought them to this country for free labor. They also raised their kids thinking it was a ok thing to do. Also it didn't happen long ago. Like 300 years ago. It's like the same people are around today, just look what's happening in this country, it laughable.

@eni232: i have a lived in china for a long time and the amount of people that consider themselves to be racially superior Is not small. It's absolutely not uncommon to meet people that will tell you that Chinese are naturally smarter than all other races and that Africans are naturally dumb.

Regarding the slavs (as if they are not white?) obviously you have not spend time with a Russian, i have and several times i was told about their superior "culture" compared to (my) latin American culture.

Regarding the Spaniards, (i am part Spanish myself though i don't consider it a race) there was definitely slavery, racial stratification and European supremacy in latin America during colonization times and the effects of it are very visible in current society.

Indians stratified their society in castes separating the ones born superior and the ones born inferior. Which is a concept very similar to racism.

Arabs had been practicing slavery and specifically slavery of south Saharan africans way before Europe even started and considered themselves superior to them.

And regarding slavery, sadly every society in history has practiced it at some time. It's hardly a European or a white thing (whatever your definition of white is )

@nirgal:

I am a slav, it is a different race from whites who are German, French or English etc who are the true white race which is generally who is referenced when you ask who are the white people of the world. It's still a generally ignorant way to define a race because color doesn't have much to do with things. There are brown people who are a different race from one another yet they have the same skin color. Back to my point of people saying they are race wise superior to others, it's one thing to say it like how you mentioned Chinese people thinking they are but it's another thing to turn it into action like they have in this country. Slavery is another subject. It's separate from racism. People were enslaved for whatever reason, some punishment in their own country's and it didn't matter if they were the same race. Arabs were Muslims much like 99 percent of Africans. Christianity never even came to Africa while Islam did. I don't think they enslaved them they had kingdoms throughout history unless they were at war. Regardless those were people from long ago and as we learned in history class slavery went on but it was not a race thing, it literally didn't matter what race you were, except for this countrys not long history, they specifically bought Africans, not Spanish, Slavs, Chinese, indians, Arabs etc and to this day you see it going on in this country. Very annoying to hear about it while rest of the world has turned the page.

Where ?

Anyways ... no reason not to try it, let the audience decide if you did it right or not and given how the game was very succesful, then ... yeah, you can't dislike it all you want, but most people enjoyed it for what it was ... a decent enough FPS with some good ideas and some memorable characters. Again, was it perfect ? hell no, but i had fun with the game back in the day and that's all that matter.

The audience did decide that how they treated Daisy was wrong, hence the retcon in the DLC.

Biohsock infinite is probably as bad as those games tbh. Persona 5 has tons of issues with the story, and gta 4 is dumb...........neither of em both sides the racism thing when the racist utopia is overthrown by black people who are treated as slaves, murdered for those scumbags amusement n shit. Up to n including coming from Booker, it's just a toothless game for the most bog standard fps. It looks pretty is the only thing that holds up.

I understand grade A stupidity and white fragility is just at thing with you dorks here, but are you fucking dense? Racism is a topic in the game lol, it's not some read between the line, it's an element of that setting. Go post in another thread.

Good to see you as well champ.

I wish your IQ improved in the time I was away :[

One can only dream.

I will take your word for it,

When playing through the game, the atrocious gameplay made be barely conscious. Needless to say, I couldn't finish the game. I was struggling to stay awake. So my barely conscious mind might have missed how racist hte game was in the first 2-3 hours. Before I deleted it off my computer.

Persona 5 vanilla did have very bad homophobic scenes with two guys harassing Ryuji. Sexual predator stereotypes are extremely dangerous to the LGBT community.

Also, another aspect about Infinite that is pretty bad is portraying the Vox as a far radical left movement in the first place. Calling antiracist movements communist or socialist plots is also very offensive, historically.

@texasgoldrush: or it could simply be that the movement in that story specifically had all those characteristic, but not all anti racist movements in general do...

Or when did it become acceptable to scrutinize every aspect of a story and then assume the writer is trying to generalize them to the outer world...

Honestly it's tiresome to repeat this over and over again and see people keep pretending that every story piece is statement about current society.

So I guess those scenes removed in Golden?

I almost fell asleep during the first 3 hours. So I uninstalled and played something else.

Kinda

Its changed to where they don't aggressively go after him, and Ryuji is not spooked specifically by them.

It still should have been cut.

No, its simply Levine not knowing what he is doing. It fails at a historical depiction and it fails at being relevant to current society.

@texasgoldrush: except bioshock is not either an historical description or commentary on current society....

It's like refuse to see my point even when i repeat it 100 times

Because your point is pointless and wrong.

Once again, if you are going to invoke themes of white supremacy, you better do it right, Levine didn't.

@texasgoldrush: that's simply your personal opinion and nothing else.

1. Invoking white supremacy in a game doesn't necessarily serve as a comment for current or past society. In this case it's simply an alternative reality.

2. If you don't appreciate it the way it was done, doesn't mean others don't either. Personally, I feel like non obviously good or bad characters are more interesting.

1. Which is highly inappropriate.

2. Others clearly didn't and much of it was retconned.