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#1  Edited By Robertos
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@palasta said:

Regarding Dune, i found this...

There's so many reasons not to gender flip this character. And zero reasons to do it.

Others have mistakenly said he's a Fremen, but he's only half Fremen. His father was the imperial planetologist who went native while studying Dune. So Kynes is caught between those two worlds, but his official role in the books is as part of the imperium. It's true the Fremen are mostly egalitarian, but The Imperium is definitely not. There are key moments in the book (really the only times we get to know Kynes) where his behavior would not make sense as a woman, given the patriarchal society of the Landsraad. Like when he accompanies the Duke Leto on the first thopter trip, when we see the worms for the first time. Or when he is invited to the dinner party with the other men and ladies of court. That is a pivotal scene where gender roles are critical to how things play out. His behavior, if he is a woman, doesn't make any sense in that scene.

Above all, it's completely unnecessary. There are more female roles in the source material of the original books then any other Space Saga I can think of. There are egalitarian societies to contrast female roles with patriarchal societies. There's an entire goddamned faction of near immortal female space witches secretly pulling the strings on the imperium.

Maybe more than anything, arbitrarily deciding you want another female character "because" seems like he is missing the point of the books. These characters are caught in plans within plans. They are all pawns. Some of them literally see the future and they still are powerless to change it. Being forced to play the "role" assigned to you, whatever the injustice, is literally the central theme of the entire Dune Saga.

I guess the last thing I'll say, If you think gender doesn't matter in the Dune novels ... I'm not sure what to tell you really.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/kdrvwf/denis_villeneuve_on_his_decision_to_make_kynes_a/?utm_name=iossmf

But hey, let's ask the creator of Dune, Frank Herbert. O wait, he is dead. How convinient. But he would surely be OK with other people changing his creation to fit their political BS.

Why the swap?

Because somebody "felt" an imbalance in the script? So spontaneously (other word for idgas) inject generic black female with no regards to origin and culture.

And a small but very insightful article, an interview with a female psychologist. It's in german, i (chrome) translated it to english.

See, what a wonderful example. This post is an obsession and a hyper political brain rot. This isn't normal human behavior and indicates clear indoctrination and/or mental deficiency of some sort. It's omega cringe.

Both Dune1 and Dune2 are amazing and the multiple race swaps and a gender swap had 0 bearing on the quality. To worry about such trivial things after watching such amazing content is warped. You're a walking meme, I can't imagine walking out of the theater for Dune2 and this being a gripe, much less something even weighing on my mind at all. That's SO WEIRD.

Dune: Part Two | Rotten Tomatoes

Dune (2021) | Rotten Tomatoes

And in general Denis Villenueve is such a fucking good film maker,

Blade Runner 2049 | Rotten Tomatoes

Arrival (2016) | Rotten Tomatoes

Sicario (2015) | Rotten Tomatoes

The guy is a total powerhouse, your attacks on him are meaningless and sad. I hope his"political BS" and finding "imbalances in the script" never stops if we keep getting quality films.

@palasta said:

Nahh, there is no agenda. No radical ideological push in every corner of society, nothing to be concerned about, just far-right racists upset about black people on TV.

So the brainlet finally realized how sad his complaints about the race and gender of fictional characters in tv shows and movies were, so finally starts talking about something more serious like college admissions in a complete topic shift. Lol, glad you realize how cringe you all were.

Make a new thread about it, you guys were already wasted in this one. We are talking about fictional media and laughing at you guys for 4 pages. Yeah, looks pretty dumb to cry about in retrospect right?

As for being "pushed in every corner", that just seems like natural progression. Whether that's a negative or positive in media is purely subjective, so far it really doesn't matter for the most part. But I'll throw you a bone, UCLA does have to work on their admissions and it could be a problem if true. But how frequent is that, what percent of Universities? What percent of total hires are DEI hires in US? Got citation?

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#2  Edited By Robertos
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Done ignoring the ad-hom spam. Time to even the playing field.

@palasta said:
@robertos said:

Fortunately I don't belong to any one solid tribe, and can call both SBI lovers and the idiots who burned dolls over Barbie as sad losers. I guess my mind isn't simple enough to be mad enough at the nothing burger in the OP.

Your simpleton mind doesn't remember what lies it has to tell.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/kill-yourself-guys-fails-woke-defeated-33616144/?page=2#js-message-357715719

So what does make Sweet Baby Inc. so terrible in your humble insignificant opinion? Because you were quite defensive about their work, the usual trivializing behavior. Your "not simple mind" completely missed the point i made with that video, even though i made it pretty clear...

I understand that you have a severely diminished mental capacity, which is quite apparent from someone who constantly whines and obsesses about the race and gender of fictional characters, but freakshows like you really have to understand nuance and facts. I'm not a hopelessly political tribal like you, so I can dislike SBI but still correct a lie involving them since I don't like false statements.

Suicide Squad blowing chunks wasn't SBI's work. That's literally a lie and internet myth. It was primarily the main development team and publisher screwing up every step of the way with wrong decisions, putting this on SBI lets them off the hook. The bulk of reviews and development process timelines make this clear. The entire game was a disaster from it's conception, too much of it is flawed to blame one or two sentences in journal entries. I was just fact checking you (which has proven quite easy over the years), I still dislike SBI.

Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League – What Went Wrong? (gamingbolt.com)

SBI were also involved with good projects. Such as God of War, Spider-Man, and Alan Wake 2, and certainly aren't the reasons those were good. My issue with SBI is that they are reported to severely threaten some developers in the narrative process. This is silly and pointless, and can only likely contribute to some harm. While I feel their impact is minor to the overall quality, such actions are highly inappropriate.

(20) Grummz on X: "Sweet Baby used fear, intimidation and the threat of cancellation to get studios to make their games carry their political narrative. This is the founder's own words." / X

I see no need for SBI to exist and the above quote is highly problematic for a creative process. But even the slightest bit of development research and reading reviews shows SSKJL was always doomed to hell.

@palasta said:

If you don't belong to anyone tribe, why are you spending so much time defending the woke-agenda?

Because most of the time it's a nothing burger, this shit doesn't even poll in the top .05%. So when you guys start these silly conversations I like to point and laugh. Or I'm just fact checking falsehoods.

Like how you guys straight up lied about why Suicide Squad was actually bad in SW. Or when the right describes Climate Science, Vaccines, Electric Vehicles, Black History, SEL, the Baltimore Bridge Collapse etc. as "WOKE". Pretty simple. I'm going to push back against lunacy like that.

I just don't see the other side (far left) making many threads defending Cleopatra or UCLA for me to go shit on. That's not my fault.

@palasta said:

So... you're just some white dude with jock attitude being an a-hole. I am one of the "oppressed minorities" your woke-garbage is aimed at.

I'm not white. You are obsessed with race. You're brain is broken from this fake culture wars nonsense. This study comes to mind,

Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes: Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact on JSTOR

@palasta said:

Are you cracked in the head?

No, I shifted to talking about the Stellar Blade psychos. It certainly seems like I hit a nerve. Was one of those rejects you? 🤣😂

@palasta said:

And it flopped hard.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/26/business/media/furiosa-box-office-memorial-day-weekend.html

I mentioned quality specifically, not earnings. But yeah that is sad to see a great film do poorly in the box office. We need movies like this to do well, not trash like Fast and the Furious or Transformers. You should also be troubled.

@palasta said:

Who is fixated on skin color?

@palasta said:

So... you're just some white dude with jock attitude being an a-hole. I am one of the "oppressed minorities" your woke-garbage is aimed at.

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#3  Edited By Robertos
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@sargentd said:
@kathaariancode said:

@sargentd: Didn't he used campaign money to pay for a whore? And then proceded to hide it to avoid being caught? I haven't been following the case but isn't that the crime?

ill give you a ruff spark notes version, but I encourage you to look into the finer details yourself because it is comical.

That's it

That's what happened.

It really would have made no sense to list this as a campaign expense because it wasn't, Trump organization was just paying Cohen the bill he sent them..

The Jury, using evidence, disagrees with the insane garbage you just wrote.

Keep coping.

Also still laughing at the fact he lost the by far weakest trial against him. He has 0 shot on the Documents case, if Cannon ever lets it go to trial.

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#4  Edited By Robertos
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@sargentd said:
@robertos said:

Nothing has changed. Furiosa is not a gender swap and was a central character in the last mad max movie, its not lore breaking, its not a reskin, she is a cannon character. It doesn't relate to what I was talking about.

You're confused. I know this. It was an example in line with Barbie and TRoP. These do not contain gender or race swaps of existing characters afaik. All three have been called "woke". I wasn't talking about this for WH40K, but for different examples brought later on in this thread.

Your original post regarding WH40K is more close to Dune and The Boys. Lots of "lore breaking" race and sex changes, yet both still highly received. It doesn't matter as well as it's done right.

@sargentd said:

You even bringing up furiosa is just projection, you are pretending my issue is with female characters in general. Which was never my argument. Furiosa is a cool character and is an original character. She got her own spin off movie.

I never said it's your argument.

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@robertos said:
@sargentd said:
@robertos said:

Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga | Rotten Tomatoes

A movie with the name "Mad Max" in it, starring a woman main protagonist. 90%/90%. In defiance of the doom and gloom from the losers.

No one cares about this nonsense if the movie is good lol.

Furiosa is her own character, they didn't change mad max character to be a woman

What character was changed in The Rings of Power or Barbie? Your side complains even with no changes home slice. Merely headlining a woman is enough to make these weirdos go nuts. Especially in a once male driven series, with said male character's name still in the title lol.

And even if we are discussing anger over race or gender changes, The Boys and Dune had more changes than anything listed ITT by far. Yet great reviews. It just doesn't matter, 99% of the time. Writing, directing, and acting.

If mad max was race/gender swapped people would be annoyed.

But furiosa is not max, she is her own character. They exist in the same universe

I addressed this all in my post. Barbie, Prey, and TRoP of power had no race swaps and still made the losers go mad. A woman main protag, especially in a once male lead series, does cause some on the far right to lose their shit.

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#6  Edited By Robertos
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@sargentd said:
@robertos said:

Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga | Rotten Tomatoes

A movie with the name "Mad Max" in it, starring a woman main protagonist. 90%/90%. In defiance of the doom and gloom from the losers.

No one cares about this nonsense if the movie is good lol.

Furiosa is her own character, they didn't change mad max character to be a woman

What character was changed in The Rings of Power or Barbie? Your side complains even with no changes home slice. Merely headlining a woman is enough to make these weirdos go nuts. Especially in a once male driven series, with said male character's name still in the title lol.

And even if we are discussing anger over race or gender changes, The Boys and Dune had more changes than anything listed ITT by far. Yet great reviews. It just doesn't matter, 99% of the time. Writing, directing, and acting.

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#7  Edited By Robertos
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@sargentd said:
@robertos said:
@sargentd said:

"Explain to me the crime being alleged and what evidence proves such crime was made"

Nobody here can do it lol..

@sargentd said:
@ogvampire said:

@sargentd: a Trumper asking for evidence is beyond hilarious, and also futile since they will denounce whatever evidence you show them. in other words, it's a cult.

Cus you don't have any evidence champ!

I literally did this in two links days ago.

Donald Trump trial evidence: See photos, notes and books shown to jury (usatoday.com)

‘Pay With Cash:’ The Evidence Against Trump at Hush Money Trial - Bloomberg

Trolling?

Again reposting a garbage link I already explained to you is not evidence of the crime alleged

No one cares about your legal opinion. I gave you the alleged evidence and crimes as stated in court.

But since you're having some trouble, here you go:

Former President Trump has been indicted by a New York grand jury on 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree, in violation of Penal Law §175.10," according to the indictment, related to the Stormy Daniels hush money payment.

Prosecutors allege the falsified records were an effort to cover up a violation of federal campaign finance laws by failing to properly disclose the reimbursements as a campaign expense. Thus, according to prosecutors, Trump violated New York's financial laws in order to commit a federal felony by not reporting funds that were serving his election bid.

The prosecution introduced the First Republic Bank statement as proof that Trump knowingly reimbursed Cohen for hush money to Daniels. Last week, jurors heard of how Cohenset up the bank account in the waning days of the 2016 raceto get money to Daniels in a hurry so voters wouldn’t learn her allegations of an extramarital tryst with Trump, wiring it via a shell company, Essential Consultants LLC.

The jury saw the statementamong a paper trail of evidence introduced Mondaytied to each of the 34 counts of falsification of business records with which the former president is charged — 11 checks issued to Cohen, which all bore Trump’s familiar spiky signature in black Sharpie, 12 corresponding ledger entries and 11 invoices, in which the fixer billed for “a retainer agreement.”

Whether you or Tim Pool believe this is true or not is not relevant. The jury will decide given the evidence, which exists.

That being said, this is relatively the weakest case. The documents case is a sure fire win with mountains of evidence, but Judge Canon severely stalled that due to some bizarre reasons - stumping legal experts. She saved Trump lol, he has zero shot if it makes to trial. It would have gone to court by now if it was a normal judge.

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Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga | Rotten Tomatoes

A movie with the name "Mad Max" in it, starring a woman main protagonist. 90%/90%. In defiance of the doom and gloom from the losers.

No one cares about this nonsense if the movie is good lol.

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#9  Edited By Robertos
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@silentchief said:

That's categorically false. TROP has more race swaps and lore changes then any show on Amazon or just about any show in general.

No it doesn't. List the LOTR lore characters who had swaps in TRoP, then I'll list them for The Boys. Neither swaps for either of these shows were the reason for the quality. It usually never is.

No one gives shit and it has almost no real impact, most of the time.

@silentchief said:

Well it seems like you would care then some of the time which makes your answer hypocritical.

Semantics debate. Not only was I talking about the most extreme cases, but even for those I don't care enough to cry about it, burn merchandise, or boycott. More importantly, the example in the OP is not anything as extreme as Cleopatra or SBI. The WH40K situation is more close to Dune and The Boys. Nothingburgers.

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#10  Edited By Robertos
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@sargentd said:

"Explain to me the crime being alleged and what evidence proves such crime was made"

Nobody here can do it lol..

@sargentd said:
@ogvampire said:

@sargentd: a Trumper asking for evidence is beyond hilarious, and also futile since they will denounce whatever evidence you show them. in other words, it's a cult.

Cus you don't have any evidence champ!

I literally did this in two links days ago.

Donald Trump trial evidence: See photos, notes and books shown to jury (usatoday.com)

‘Pay With Cash:’ The Evidence Against Trump at Hush Money Trial - Bloomberg

Trolling?