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#1  Edited By Robertos
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@horgen said:

Trump's cheerleader team... Intimidation much?

It's so weird. Imagine if the DNC descended upon the Menendez trial to defend him. Thing is I've only seen THE OPPOSITE from them, Democrats bashing him and wanting him to quit asap.

How do right wingers not see this as fucked up?

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#2  Edited By Robertos
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@silentchief said:

Little Mermaid, Rings of Power, Fantastic Four, Eternals, She Hulk, Ms Marvel, The Marvels, prove it fails miserably.

Dune, Dead Pool, The Boys, The Batman, Avengers, X-Men 97', Invincible, Fallout, Prey, etc. prove this isn't why it fails. Race and gender swaps often don't impact quality.

Reviews of both sets of films show something else being the major driving factor. That being writing, acting, and directing. As most sane humans understand it.

@silentchief said:

Yep. "The Marvels" race and gender swapped the main villain.

The race/gender changes in the examples I gave were major characters. The example you just gave for The Marvels was a niche source material character I had never even heard of. I'm not ware of any race swaps in Rings of Power of She Hulk. The notion that The Marvels was bad due to a niche character next to no one has heard of being gender swapped is ludicrous. It was bad the movie was bad, as reviews show.

This falls squarely on the writing and directing. Common sense. Occam's Razor.

@silentchiefF said:

Speaking of using common sense do you think a Batman movie with a black Bruce Wayne would be successful?

Well a black Jim Gordon had a very successful Batman film. Way better flick than all of the movies with Ben Asslick. When it comes to a well established main character with such cultural significance as Batman, yes it might effect the quality and outlook. Which is why I'm saying most of the time and usually. However if the black Batman film was actually fucking good, no one would care in the end tbh. The needless outrage would be hilarious though.

IE: A black Galadriel would have been possibly problematic. But the current blonde white actress had wooden acting so who cares, which is why TRoP has some mixed reviews (albeit better than expected).

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#3  Edited By Robertos
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Dune, Dead Pool, The Boys, Avengers, X-Men 97', Invincible, Fallout, Prey, etc.

These, among several others, prove none of this race swapping, gender swapping, or progressive themes in fiction effect actual quality. People just want a good writing, directing, and acting. A female Stormfront or black Chani didn't harm reviews and scores. This kind of casting or being based off of progressive values is usually never the reason something is poorly received, or is actually bad.

Did The Marvels even race or gender swap anyone? I have not watched that trash, but it all seemed lore accurate from the trailers. Going by most reviews, it seems like the movie was bad because of what would regularly make a movie bad. Not some weird overly political conspiracy theory. Some people really have to take off the political glasses and just use common sense sometimes.

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Do you guys think Democrats will all descend on the Mendendez and Hunter court house like this and make an absolute clownish spectacle?

Republicans flock to court to ‘kiss the ring’ during Trump criminal trial - The Washington Post

Lmao so much for law and order party. It's a cult.

@sargentd said:

Said the boogie, said up jump the boogie

1. Vivek can't out smart the judge if he isn't even actively part of the trial lol. That's just for show. It has no impact on the trial, it's like shower thoughts on what you would have done after you got beat up lol. C'mon homie, we learn this kind of stuff in 6th grade. Also why are they wearing matching clothes wtf dude lol. It's like a weird cult.

2. What do you feel about the Menendez (D) trial? Is that fake too?

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@uninspiredcup said:

For anyone who's wondering, this is what cancer looks like inside your body.

Cavill made 1 good season of Witcher, the other 2 sucked. All of his Super Man movies sucked. Tom Cruise carried him for his one good film he ever was in. I heard his latest movie is also okay, but again probably carried by others.

I'm assuming the obsession is squarely on him being a gamer. The guy has a generally poor track record.

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@silentchief said:

Overcoming hate and prejudice doesn't make something " woke". That has nothing to do with it. When the right refers to " woke" content it means putting modern leftist ideologies at the center of the experience at the expense of everything else. X-Men 97 doesn't do this.

That is what woke originally was though. X-Men will always be woke by the original definition. It's what the base storyline is about lol.

"Woke" is an adjective that means being aware of and attentive to social issues, especially those related to racial and social justice.

Which is exactly what Stan Lee and the creator of this TV show refer to in multiple interviews, even when not directly invoking the civil rights (which he does on many interviews) they still talk about prejudice and injustice. Multiple times. So I'm going to go with that. As well as the common sense parallels, when characters directly talk about it in the comic or show.

While many of Marvel’s creators might have been personally sympathetic to the Civil Rights struggle, it didn’t really come through in the comics until the late ‘60s, after Lee had spent time with students on the college lecture circuit. Lee and Gene Colan gave us the first African-American superhero, the Falcon, in the pages of June 1969’sCaptain America#117. Two months later, another African-American character, the Prowler, made his debut inAmazing Spider-Man#78, in a story that consciously parallels Spidey’s own origin.

We're not talking about what the right randomly use the term for. They use the term "woke" for everything now. No one cares what they think lol.

  • In Winter Haven, DeSantis calls COVID a 'woke virus,' praises Florida (theledger.com)
  • Culture wars: Why social emotional learning is under attack in public schools - Vox
  • Why Do Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis Hate Elon Musk’s EVs? - Heatmap News
  • The X-Men "Woke" Controversy Completely Misses The Point Of Marvel's Mutants (screenrant.com)
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he is just adapting existing stories from Chris Claremont... and doing it pretty accurately with no extra agenda.

There is no agenda. The story is just progressive by nature. Chris called the civil rights metaphors valid. Stan called them intentional, and talked about it in the 60s.

But again, this didn't lead to any backlash. Because it's good. Just like Dune. The Marvels was bad, and it wasn't due to whatever reason you think it was bad for. Same goes for most recent MCU flops. It's literally just down to bad scripts, acting, and directing. Not skin color and sex lol.

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#7  Edited By Robertos
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@silentchief said:

Lmao! Leftist always want to desperately see things in their worldview and Stan went with it 🤣

That was about LGBQT+.

For Civil Rights he directly said otherwise.

And two years later in 1968, in a Stan’s Soapbox column, Lee made his most explicit statement yet on civil rights and acceptance:

“Let’s lay it right on the line. Bigotry and racism are among the deadliest social ills plaguing the world today,” he wrote in December 1968. “

“I loved that idea,” Lee told the Guardian in 2000, as the first X-Men movie hit theaters. ”It not only made them different, but it was a good metaphor for what was happening with the Civil Rights Movement in the country at that time.”

"It came along the minute I thought of the X-Men and Professor X. I realized that I had that metaphor, which was great. It was given to me as a gift. Cause it made the stories more than just a good guy fighting a bad guy.

He's said it more often than not so I'm going to go with this common sense and direct words from Stan himself. And even if it wasn't, so? It's about overcoming hate, prejudice, and bigotry. Fighting for equal rights, and bigots trying to kill them or make laws against them. At times an apartheid or slave like states of Genosha.

Also, and more importantly, the creator of X-Men 97' goes even further in these progressive statements.

'X-Men '97' Executive Producer Beau DeMayo Reveals Series' Story Is Informed By His Experience As A Black Gay Man.

Anyway, none of this is what makes 97' good. It's the writing, animation, and directing. Not how woke or anti-woke it is.

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#8  Edited By Robertos
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@silentchief said:

You care though. You defend it tooth and nail everytime it happened.

I would hardly calling it "defense" to say a movie's script, direct, editing, and/or acting were poor. 😂🤣 We are both bashing the same media, except we disagree on the reason on why they were bad.

I believe it's due to quality, and most reviews seem to support that. As does common sense.

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#9  Edited By Robertos
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@silentchief

Most of the MCU flops were due to poor writing, directing, and acting. I'm looking at the reviews for the MCU flops at both MC and RT as we speak and they mention quality, not race or gender.

In fact weren't all 3 The Marvels characters lore accurate for race and gender? The movie was just trash...

@silentchief said:

They also seem to believe that these concepts are mutually exclusive, or can't be held together at the same time. You can put forth an agenda and be a authentic or quality. X-Men was quite literally created to aid the civil rights movement of the 1960's, and is one of the most successful comics of all time to the point it can be considered American mythology.

X-Men were never created to aid the Civil rights movement. But that's a lie you have heard so many times you accept it as fact. Stan lee himself said" it was the furthest thing from his mind" but as time went people were drawing similarities between them and it became an allegory for prejudice. He was tired of coming up with original stories for how characters got their powers so he came up with the concept of Mutants. Up until the early 90's Magneto was just a basic cartoon villan until Chris Claremont took inspiration from Jewish leader Menachem Begin

Nah. X-Men is pretty progressive media by the core themes and stories it revolves around. By the whole anti-woke logic X-Men 97' should have been a huge fumbling flop.

'X-Men '97' Executive Producer Beau DeMayo Reveals Series' Story Is Informed By His Experience As A Black Gay Man.

And I guess Stan Lee disagree with Stan Lee,

In 1966, Lee and his X-Men collaborator “King” Kirby again engaged with racial equality when they created Black Panther, a black superhero who was also the king of the fictional African nation Wakanda, an Afrofuturist wonderland of high-tech exceptionalism.

And two years later, in a Stan’s Soapbox column, Lee made his most explicit statement yet on civil rights and acceptance:

“Let’s lay it right on the line. Bigotry and racism are among the deadliest social ills plaguing the world today,” he wrote in December 1968. “[I]t’s totally irrational, patently insane to condemn an entire race—to despise an entire nation—to vilify an entire religion. Sooner or later, we must learn to judge each other on our own merits. Sooner or later, if a man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our hearts with tolerance.”

“I loved that idea,” Lee told the Guardian in 2000, as the first X-Men movie hit theaters. ”It not only made them different, but it was a good metaphor for what was happening with the Civil Rights Movement in the country at that time.” -Stan Lee

And the whole civil rights metaphorthat ended up being the defining metaphor of the X-Men, did that come along in the first few issues?

"It came along the minute I thought of the X-Men and Professor X. I realized that I had that metaphor, which was great. It was given to me as a gift. Cause it made the stories more than just a good guy fighting a bad guy. -Stan Lee

“Let’s lay it right on the line. Bigotry and racism are among the deadliest social ills plaguing the world today,” he wrote in December 1968. “[I]t’s totally irrational, patently insane to condemn an entire race—to despise an entire nation—to vilify an entire religion. Sooner or later, we must learn to judge each other on our own merits. Sooner or later, if a man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our hearts with tolerance.”

Damn wokie sjw!

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#10  Edited By Robertos
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@palasta said:
@robertos said:

Because it doesn't go against decades of established lore, braking it.

Sure it does. Seven decades, changed the race of the main character's father. Changed the race of the main character's love interest. Changed the entire look of Harkonnen, an entire clan (probably most similiar to this 40K fiasco). No one cared, because they aren't weirdos.

@palasta said:

"psychotically political" is a fitting term for the radical ideologues you defend so feverishly.

Ah yes. Merely telling you most people don't care about race/sex changes in fictional media (they don't) and that most people aren't this hyper political.....is psychotic? Not the people hopelessly crying and whining like a little kids over race/sex changes in fictional media?

Lol.