Is 1.84 TFLOPS a lot for a GPU?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Riadon2"]I don't think many games will be using megatextures.  In this case, it would be pretty beneficial, though.Riadon2

Yes, I have said many times that going with 8 GB was a good move for Sony.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Like i say is about the future,a game that use 2GB now of memory is using 8 times more ram than the PS3,if it use 3GB 12 times more.04dcarraher

Yes, I have said many times that going with 8 GB was a good move for Sony.

I don't think anyone expects PS4 games to be decked out in 4096x4096 textures and huge draw distances (other than hardcore cows), but it is one less bottleneck to be dealt with.

It will definitely be good for PC users.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Riadon2"]

Yes, I have said many times that going with 8 GB was a good move for Sony.

Riadon2

I don't think anyone expects PS4 games to be decked out in 4096x4096 textures and huge draw distances (other than hardcore cows), but it is one less bottleneck to be dealt with.

It will definitely be good for PC users.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] yep its a smart idea for both MS and Sony to use 8gb. however you can not allocate most of the memory to video because after a certain point you have diminishing returns where the resolution being used will not allow the added detail to be seen. Which is why the 8gb will be allocated in sections for OS and the extra features, game cache and then video. you will never see the PS3 used more then half its memory for video, and most likely you will only see 2-3gb sized buffers for 1080 gaming. faizan_faizan

I don't think anyone expects PS4 games to be decked out in 4096x4096 textures and huge draw distances (other than hardcore cows), but it is one less bottleneck to be dealt with.

It will definitely be good for PC users.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="Riadon2"]

I don't think anyone expects PS4 games to be decked out in 4096x4096 textures and huge draw distances (other than hardcore cows), but it is one less bottleneck to be dealt with.

It will definitely be good for PC users.

04dcarraher

mega textures was a fail 04dcarraher

It is not.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] mega textures was a fail ChubbyGuy40

It is not.

Just wanted to point out that EDGE says for the Unreal Engine demo, they had to turn off real time Global Illiumination - the PC could handle it, the PS4 COULD NOT.

Sorry cows.

Just wanted to point out that EDGE says for the Unreal Engine demo, they had to turn off real time Global Illiumination - the PC could handle it, the PS4 COULD NOT.

 

Sorry cows.

Kinthalis

Just wanted to point out that EDGE says for the Unreal Engine demo, they had to turn off real time Global Illiumination - the PC could handle it, the PS4 COULD NOT.

 

Sorry cows.

Kinthalis

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Just wanted to point out that EDGE says for the Unreal Engine demo, they had to turn off real time Global Illiumination - the PC could handle it, the PS4 COULD NOT.

 

Sorry cows.

tormentos

Yes it is, It's better to have small and repetitive textures than ONE big textures that STILL looks nothing special

Here is RAGE with 8k resolution texture but it still looks awful. And at 4k, This looks like a PS2 gamefaizan_faizan

You don't understand why RAGE looked the way it did, do you? RAGE also isn't the only game to use Virtual Texturing.

if it can run cryis 3 in medium settings 1080p with a framrate averaging above or locked at 30 FPS , thats good enough for medelta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"]if it can run cryis 3 in medium settings 1080p with a framrate averaging above or locked at 30 FPS , thats good enough for metormentos

The tests use a 3960x at 4.6 GHz...

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Just wanted to point out that EDGE says for the Unreal Engine demo, they had to turn off real time Global Illiumination - the PC could handle it, the PS4 COULD NOT.

 

Sorry cows.

faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="delta3074"]if it can run cryis 3 in medium settings 1080p with a framrate averaging above or locked at 30 FPS , thats good enough for metormentos

Yep, thats actually great and its exactly what I was trying to prove with the OP.

I seriously dont get why Kinthalis and other braindead herms are trying to bash it at all costs. Is playing console ports on higher resolution really what they think PC gaming is all about? REALLY? :?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="delta3074"]if it can run cryis 3 in medium settings 1080p with a framrate averaging above or locked at 30 FPS , thats good enough for meBlbecekBobecek

Yep, thats actually great and its exactly what I was trying to prove with the OP.

I seriously dont get why Kinthalis and other braindead herms are trying to bash it at all costs. Is playing console ports on higher resolution really what they think PC gaming is all about? REALLY? :?

The tests used a 3960x. 

Do you really think that the PS4 CPU is comparable to the 3960x?

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] http://www.comogam.net/crysis-3-vga-graphics-benchmark-performance-review/ It runs on the 7850 at 25FPS on very high at 1920x1200 which is a little higher than 1080p so it should run on very high on PS4 with optimization at least at 30FPS,not bad.Riadon2

Yep, thats actually great and its exactly what I was trying to prove with the OP.

I seriously dont get why Kinthalis and other braindead herms are trying to bash it at all costs. Is playing console ports on higher resolution really what they think PC gaming is all about? REALLY? :?

The tests used a 3960x. 

Do you really think that the PS4 CPU is comparable to the 3960x?

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Yep, thats actually great and its exactly what I was trying to prove with the OP.

I seriously dont get why Kinthalis and other braindead herms are trying to bash it at all costs. Is playing console ports on higher resolution really what they think PC gaming is all about? REALLY? :?

savagetwinkie

The tests used a 3960x. 

Do you really think that the PS4 CPU is comparable to the 3960x?

Crysis 3 is demanding on all parts of the PC.

Look at the difference between CPUs.  Also, the 3960x in the benchmarks he linked was clocked at 4.6 GHz, which is considerably faster than the top CPU in this chart.

The tests use a 3960x at 4.6 GHz...Riadon2

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]The tests use a 3960x at 4.6 GHz...tormentos

Are you serious?  You honestly expect a Jaguar to equal a 3960x due to API overhead...

There are no words.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] I don't know why cow still believe that the GPU is going to use 90% of these 8Gb :lol: 8GB of GDRR5 is the new teh cell :cool:04dcarraher

Sir, you have a LOT of posts in this thread and every single one of them is dumb. Why are you wasting so much energy on bashing something you dont even understand?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="delta3074"]if it can run cryis 3 in medium settings 1080p with a framrate averaging above or locked at 30 FPS , thats good enough for meBlbecekBobecek

Yep, thats actually great and its exactly what I was trying to prove with the OP.

I seriously dont get why Kinthalis and other braindead herms are trying to bash it at all costs. Is playing console ports on higher resolution really what they think PC gaming is all about? REALLY? :?

I'm not bashing anything. I'm just slapping your silly fanciful notions with some cold reality.

And I don't know what you're trying to say with your last sentence. I don't think graphics is what Pc gmaing is all about. But I can see you may have some reading comprehensions issues...

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] mega textures was a fail faizan_faizan

It is not.

Here is RAGE with 8k resolution texture but it still looks awful.

And at 4k, This looks like a PS2 game

You're an imbecile, Rage's texture assets are targeted at consoles with a "whopping"  512mb of ram (and the PS3's split which made for fun texture swapping between the pools!). So unless you think the PS4 has somehow been downgraded to 512, that's a woefully inaccurate representation of the texture quality it would possess as the target.

This "8k" setting* is just displaying the "high" (see: low) res texture that's targeted for consoles(the only one that exists), the "4k" you have is the ultra-low res underlying LOD texture that is to make pop-in slightly less jarring.

And you get 3 choices:

1. Use a LOD texture (ultra-low res) to fill in the blank while the high pops in.
2. Let the area be untextured and wait for pop. or
3. Force the frame to complete with the high res only and wait for the frame to render (no pop, but the frame rate goes to 0 unless you have enough space to cache in so far ahead and behind that you never pop.) 

*There is '1' texture for the whole game, there are no texture quality options. It's either you have your "high" res texture, or you dispay the ultra-low res LOD texture. 

The only way for Rage's texture quality to increase is for id to design it with a higher target VRAM; this is why the game shipped with no options, it just doesn't have any.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Riadon2"]The tests use a 3960x at 4.6 GHz...Riadon2

Are you serious?  You honestly expect a Jaguar to equal a 3960x due to API overhead...

There are no words.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] I don't know why cow still believe that the GPU is going to use 90% of these 8Gb :lol: 8GB of GDRR5 is the new teh cell :cool:BlbecekBobecek

Sir, you have a LOT of posts in this thread and every single one of them is dumb. Why are you wasting so much energy on bashing something you dont even understand?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Riadon2"]The tests use a 3960x at 4.6 GHz...Riadon2

Are you serious?  You honestly expect a Jaguar to equal a 3960x due to API overhead...

There are no words.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] LOL your ass is in pain to the facts once again? look how my comments get under your skin :cool: you've been proven wrong in every thread and ran away :lol: do it now that you're in time,butthurt :cool: i've been gaming on PC for several years..you're a peasant that can't afford playing on PC that's why you hate it.tormentos

 

The thread is riddled with hermits who feel just because hey can build a PC they know how to look at the raw performance of a console.   I built my own PC yet I stll prefer consoles.  I love how hermits think they can build a $600 dollar pc that could hold a candle to this when in fact they are so utterly delusional its emberassing. 

AM-Gamer

Exactly. I just dont get their motivation. Its not like PC gaming would be threatened if PS4 produced the same graphics as their high end PCs afterall. No reason to make up things and throw around borderline idiotic assumptions just to downplay it.

I cant imagine that I would spend hours in an apple thread trying to find (or make up) flaws on a new iphone or whatever.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Is on the same die as the GPU and run without API overhead.?tormentos

Are you serious?  You honestly expect a Jaguar to equal a 3960x due to API overhead...

There are no words.

Actually, Crysis 3 makes good use of up to 8 cores.  Look at how high AMD is on that chart, compared to other games.

The reason PC multithreading is "bad" in most cases is that games are developed for the 360, and then ported over to the PC with some extra features.  Most developers don't work to optimize for more than a set number of cores, because most developers don't care.

However, in PC centric games like Crysis 3 (and pretty much every game next gen), developers make good use of many cores.  Next gen, just about every game will be coded with a large number of cores in mind.

An overclocked 3960x isn't going to be beat by some lowly mobile CPU because of API overhead.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] http://www.comogam.net/crysis-3-vga-graphics-benchmark-performance-review/ It runs on the 7850 at 25FPS on very high at 1920x1200 which is a little higher than 1080p so it should run on very high on PS4 with optimization at least at 30FPS,not bad.Kinthalis

Yep, thats actually great and its exactly what I was trying to prove with the OP.

I seriously dont get why Kinthalis and other braindead herms are trying to bash it at all costs. Is playing console ports on higher resolution really what they think PC gaming is all about? REALLY? :?

I'm not bashing anything. I'm just slapping your silly fanciful notions with some cold reality.

And I don't know what you're trying to say with your last sentence. I don't think graphics is what Pc gmaing is all about. But I can see you may have some reading comprehensions issues...

Reading your posts certainly does feel like being slapped by something cold (and wet and stinky), but it really has nothing to do with reality.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Is on the same die as the GPU and run without API overhead.?savagetwinkie

Are you serious?  You honestly expect a Jaguar to equal a 3960x due to API overhead...

There are no words.

Your overestimate the benefits of a lack of "API overhead".

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] because they have have no special secret sauce to give it an edge fact is that with the OS and the features your looking at 2gb usage 2-4gb for the game cache and no more then 4gb for video use, but more then likely will see 2gb as an average04dcarraher

Sir, you have a LOT of posts in this thread and every single one of them is dumb. Why are you wasting so much energy on bashing something you dont even understand?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Sir, you have a LOT of posts in this thread and every single one of them is dumb. Why are you wasting so much energy on bashing something you dont even understand?

BlbecekBobecek

as a console the PS4 is a beast with a ok cpu plenty of memory and a descent gpu but nowhere as fast as some think it will be. 

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

It is funny how butthurt console fanboys get when some is saying that 8GB GDDR5 is shared with CPU and OS and  memory bandwidth is also shared with CPU.

tormentos

Do you realize that a HD7850 come in two venisons 2GB and 4GB? do you realize the HD7850 is a barely a mid range gpu and by the time the ps4 will be released will be low end gpu?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

It is funny how butthurt console fanboys get when some is saying that 8GB GDDR5 is shared with CPU and OS and  memory bandwidth is also shared with CPU.

MK-Professor

Do you realize that a HD7850 come in two venisons 2GB and 4GB? do you realize the HD7850 is a barely a mid range gpu and by the time the ps4 will be released will be low end gpu?

 theres a difference between bashing and stating probable facts not wishful thinking where the PS4 can overcome its processing limitations, cant allocate insane amount of memory for gpu usage and ignore all other system/features/game memory use. etc.and wont be able to perform better then a gpu thats a good chunck faster. the fact the ps4 is using an x86 cpu and a slightly modified gpu that is from pc. The magic of optimization and efficiency only goes so far and the API being used on this hardware is the same basis as pc hardware especially AMD cpus and gpus.

as a console the PS4 is a beast with a ok cpu plenty of memory and a descent gpu but nowhere as fast as some think it will be. 

04dcarraher

You wrote regarding the amount of PS4 RAM used as VRAM that "more then likely will see 2gb as an average". That is not "stating probable facts", especially after this was proven utter nonsense about three times in this thread already. I will not explain for the fourth time in one thread why it is nonsense, because you will appear on next page and state it again, I will just take the liberty to inform you that you could have written "Im completely dumb" instead and the information that an intelligent educated reader gains from your post would have been the same, just acquired in a more straghtforward way.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Riadon2"]

Are you serious? You honestly expect a Jaguar to equal a 3960x due to API overhead...

There are no words.

Riadon2

Your overestimate the benefits of a lack of "API overhead".

You are underestimating why industry is moving towards HSA.

Note that HSA is mostly a software issue i.e. PC gets similar HSA updates.

AMD's favorite benchmarking box i.e. Intel Core i7-3770K + AMD Radeon HD 7970 GE will so get the update. AMD is known to supply Intel Core i7-3770+motherboard with thier GCN to reviewers.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] No one is getting buthurt but you elitist who think who know it all and think every thing is apple to apple. Let me play a game with you,since my argument is that the PS4 can outperform both the 7850 and 7870 and ram is one advantage which you want to deny i tell you what... Here we have 8GB of GDDR5 shared.... 2 for OS (lol) 2GB for CPU (lololol) and for 4GB for video.. Presuming that you can actually count without using your windows calculator,who still has the ram advantages of the 3.?04dcarraher

Do you realize that a HD7850 come in two venisons 2GB and 4GB? do you realize the HD7850 is a barely a mid range gpu and by the time the ps4 will be released will be low end gpu?

The GTX 570 came out in 2011 and the GTX 480 came out in 2010.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] No one is getting buthurt but you elitist who think who know it all and think every thing is apple to apple. Let me play a game with you,since my argument is that the PS4 can outperform both the 7850 and 7870 and ram is one advantage which you want to deny i tell you what... Here we have 8GB of GDDR5 shared.... 2 for OS (lol) 2GB for CPU (lololol) and for 4GB for video.. Presuming that you can actually count without using your windows calculator,who still has the ram advantages of the 3.?04dcarraher

Do you realize that a HD7850 come in two venisons 2GB and 4GB? do you realize the HD7850 is a barely a mid range gpu and by the time the ps4 will be released will be low end gpu?

Depends on the app.

In Battlefield 3, HIS Radeon HD 7850 4GB iPower IceQ Turbo beats Geforce GTX 570 and it's very close to GTX 580.

In Metro 2003 Last Light, HIS Radeon HD 7850 4GB iPower IceQ Turbo beats Geforce GTX 570/480 and it's very close to GTX 580.

In FarCry 3, HIS Radeon HD 7850 4GB iPower IceQ Turbo matches GTX 580.

HIS Radeon HD 7850 4GB iPower IceQ Turbo has 2.0 TFLOPs while PS4's Radeon HD "7860" has 1.84 TFLOPs i.e. ~0.21 TFLOPs difference.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/his_radeon_7850_ipower_iceq_4gb_review,1.html

Guru3D didn't include Dirt Showdown.