Is 1.84 TFLOPS a lot for a GPU?

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

 

But the PS4 doesn't have the API overhead like PC does and the overhead is experienced on the CPU side.

 

BlbecekBobecek

How is Direct3D API experienced on  CPU side? Do you have any source to prove that?

 

If you have a high end 2010 PC with a higher clocked i5 CPU and an well oced GTX 480 (3gb version would be better) then you are set to play next gen console multiplats.

 

 

RyviusARC

I seriously doubt that. High end 2006 PC is not set to play this (last) gen console multiplats afterall...

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] VRAM isn't everything, And it's shared unlike PC GPU's VRAM which isn't shared it's dedicated for games, The MAIN RAM is.tormentos

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]wrong again give it up, a 1.6 ghz jag 8 core is not going to beat an intel quad core or any other amd 6 or eight core cpu clocked above 2.6 ghz. No your just blind and in denial to the fact that they can take those 18CU and set it up where it only uses 14/4 for certain uses. tormentos

I don't rely on rumours son, And you must be delusional if you think PS4 will be giving 8GB GDDR5 VRAM to games only, Not even in the worst scenarios this would happen.faizan_faizan

PS4's Memory Bandwith = 176GB/s
GTX 670 = 192 GB/s
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-the-geforce-gtx-670-gpu

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] VRAM isn't everything, And it's shared unlike PC GPU's VRAM which isn't shared it's dedicated for games, The MAIN RAM is.faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]PC GPUS already do over 3.0 TFLOPS and cows are impressed with 1.84 TFLOPS :lol: ? AMD 7990 does 3,788.80 GFLOPS x2 :cool:faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Yes it is the PS4 OS is rumored to be 512MB...that is the only rumor about the OS,to what is that.? 7.5 GB for video.? I say at worst case would be 2GB,but i don't think it will be even close to that,it would probably not pass 1GB.04dcarraher

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]wrong again give it up, a 1.6 ghz jag 8 core is not going to beat an intel quad core or any other amd 6 or eight core cpu clocked above 2.6 ghz. No your just blind and in denial to the fact that they can take those 18CU and set it up where it only uses 14/4 for certain uses. 04dcarraher

PS4's Memory Bandwith = 176GB/s
GTX 670 = 192 GB/s
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-the-geforce-gtx-670-gpu

faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

PS4's Memory Bandwith = 176GB/s
GTX 670 = 192 GB/s
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-the-geforce-gtx-670-gpu

Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

PS4's Memory Bandwith = 176GB/s
GTX 670 = 192 GB/s
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-the-geforce-gtx-670-gpu

faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] :lol: Please any ratio, fact is that you have no understanding that they can not do. they can not use all 18CU plus gpu based physics and expect the same type of performance or graphics quality.So unless they use all 18CU it is barely any faster then a 7850. Now your also ignoring the fact that the PS4 is using an AMD cpu with an AMD gpu with Pc based x86 coding and API, Now now lets not forget your to metal coding or the "direct x API sucks" posts the cpu does everything sending the data to the rest of the system where it needs to be, and if they go the route where they use all the 18CU and send the basic cpu loads for lower end physics means that advanced real time gpgpu physics and other function are out. I guess you have never seen gpu accelerated physics... O wait you watched the PS4 conference you need the gpu to that with. A low clocked 8 core AMD cpu even in a console is not that fast compared to any other modern cpu, any intel quad core will crap all over it and any other amd 6 or 8 core will do the same... Maybe you need to learn a thing or two and stop being a sony fanboy. tormentos

cows are really amazing thinking 8GB are dedicated to GPU only :lol: sure the CPU,OS and Apps feed from hot air created by the GPU :cool:Tessellation

No, 680 + 690 = High, At least what i think.faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]cows are really amazing thinking 8GB are dedicated to GPU only :lol: sure the CPU,OS and Apps feed from hot air created by the GPU :cool:faizan_faizan

Not for gpgpu based physics its not, if your only using an updated cpu based physic engine being used today sure. but you wont get the same level of effects.04dcarraher

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="Tessellation"]cows are really amazing thinking 8GB are dedicated to GPU only :lol: sure the CPU,OS and Apps feed from hot air created by the GPU :cool:Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Cpu is what processes everything needed, the time takes the cpu to process the needed data, for example modern API with dx 11 its overhead is very little comared to dx 9 your looking at 15% vs "to metal" all you will need to overcome that 15% is a slightly faster cpu or abit higher clockrate.

also you have to be kidding me that you doubt a high end pc from 2006 cant play current multiplats.... Athlon X2 3ghz or C2D 2.4 ghz, 4gb DDR2 and a 8800GTX done there you go your playing games 2x the graphical ability of current HD consoles

tormentos

Facts are better than the person saying something.

It's a fallacy to argue using authority as fact.

I gave you the chance to put what I said to the test by comparing an 8600gt to the 360 in performance.

Go ahead and check and you will see the performance is similar.

You just need a more powerful CPU than what is in consoles to get that performance.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] VRAM isn't everything, And it's shared unlike PC GPU's VRAM which isn't shared it's dedicated for games, The MAIN RAM is.tormentos

My guess is that they will dedicate something like 1GB to the OS and other functions.

They will also have to dedicate about 1 CPU core for recording since that is pretty CPU intensive even without it being RAW footage.

But RAM does not equate to performance unless there is a bottleneck.

The RAM will allow for larger levels and higher res textures but it won't make the GPU suddenly more powerful.

For example a GTX 560ti with 1GB of vRAM is still much more powerful than a 4870 with 2GB of vRAM.

The PS4 must also split that RAM between system and video.

So it will most likely be 4-5GB for system RAM and 2-3GB for video RAM while 1GB is dedicated to the OS and other features.

8GB GDDR5 RAM is the new cell

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] VRAM isn't everything, And it's shared unlike PC GPU's VRAM which isn't shared it's dedicated for games, The MAIN RAM is.RyviusARC

My guess is that they will dedicate something like 1GB to the OS and other functions.

They will also have to dedicate about 1 CPU core for recording since that is pretty CPU intensive even without it being RAW footage.

But RAM does not equate to performance unless there is a bottleneck.

The RAM will allow for larger levels and higher res textures but it won't make the GPU suddenly more powerful.

For example a GTX 560ti with 1GB of vRAM is still much more powerful than a 4870 with 2GB of vRAM.

The PS4 must also split that RAM between system and video.

So it will most likely be 4-5GB for system RAM and 2-3GB for video RAM while 1GB is dedicated to the OS and other features.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] VRAM isn't everything, And it's shared unlike PC GPU's VRAM which isn't shared it's dedicated for games, The MAIN RAM is.RyviusARC

My guess is that they will dedicate something like 1GB to the OS and other functions.

They will also have to dedicate about 1 CPU core for recording since that is pretty CPU intensive even without it being RAW footage.

But RAM does not equate to performance unless there is a bottleneck.

The RAM will allow for larger levels and higher res textures but it won't make the GPU suddenly more powerful.

For example a GTX 560ti with 1GB of vRAM is still much more powerful than a 4870 with 2GB of vRAM.

The PS4 must also split that RAM between system and video.

So it will most likely be 4-5GB for system RAM and 2-3GB for video RAM while 1GB is dedicated to the OS and other features.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] VRAM isn't everything, And it's shared unlike PC GPU's VRAM which isn't shared it's dedicated for games, The MAIN RAM is.RyviusARC

My guess is that they will dedicate something like 1GB to the OS and other functions.

They will also have to dedicate about 1 CPU core for recording since that is pretty CPU intensive even without it being RAW footage.

But RAM does not equate to performance unless there is a bottleneck.

The RAM will allow for larger levels and higher res textures but it won't make the GPU suddenly more powerful.

For example a GTX 560ti with 1GB of vRAM is still much more powerful than a 4870 with 2GB of vRAM.

The PS4 must also split that RAM between system and video.

So it will most likely be 4-5GB for system RAM and 2-3GB for video RAM while 1GB is dedicated to the OS and other features.

I say with OS plus all the features they will allocate 2gb, also depending on the cpu core clock one core for recording may not be enough but also video recording will eat up alot of memory since they wont be able to record directly to te hdd if your gaming off the hdd install.

It might look like this

2-4gb for system use 2 or 4gb(demanding on sysytem usage) for the game and 2gb for video output.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Yes it is the PS4 OS is rumored to be 512MB...that is the only rumor about the OS,to what is that.? 7.5 GB for video.? I say at worst case would be 2GB,but i don't think it will be even close to that,it would probably not pass 1GB.tormentos

My guess is that they will dedicate something like 1GB to the OS and other functions.

They will also have to dedicate about 1 CPU core for recording since that is pretty CPU intensive even without it being RAW footage.

But RAM does not equate to performance unless there is a bottleneck.

The RAM will allow for larger levels and higher res textures but it won't make the GPU suddenly more powerful.

For example a GTX 560ti with 1GB of vRAM is still much more powerful than a 4870 with 2GB of vRAM.

The PS4 must also split that RAM between system and video.

So it will most likely be 4-5GB for system RAM and 2-3GB for video RAM while 1GB is dedicated to the OS and other features.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Yes it is the PS4 OS is rumored to be 512MB...that is the only rumor about the OS,to what is that.? 7.5 GB for video.? I say at worst case would be 2GB,but i don't think it will be even close to that,it would probably not pass 1GB.savagetwinkie

My guess is that they will dedicate something like 1GB to the OS and other functions.

They will also have to dedicate about 1 CPU core for recording since that is pretty CPU intensive even without it being RAW footage.

But RAM does not equate to performance unless there is a bottleneck.

The RAM will allow for larger levels and higher res textures but it won't make the GPU suddenly more powerful.

For example a GTX 560ti with 1GB of vRAM is still much more powerful than a 4870 with 2GB of vRAM.

The PS4 must also split that RAM between system and video.

So it will most likely be 4-5GB for system RAM and 2-3GB for video RAM while 1GB is dedicated to the OS and other features.

We will see.

Right now it is all speculation.

The PS3 was split RAM and faired pretty well with the Xbox 360 although sometimes it did suffer slightly because of it but most of the time is was pretty close and sometimes the PS3 came on top in things like textures.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

 

My guess is that they will dedicate something like 1GB to the OS and other functions.

They will also have to dedicate about 1 CPU core for recording since that is pretty CPU intensive even without it being RAW footage.

But RAM does not equate to performance unless there is a bottleneck.

The RAM will allow for larger levels and higher res textures but it won't make the GPU suddenly more powerful.

For example a GTX 560ti with 1GB of vRAM is still much more powerful than a 4870 with 2GB of vRAM.

The PS4 must also split that RAM between system and video.

So it will most likely be 4-5GB for system RAM and 2-3GB for video RAM while 1GB is dedicated to the OS and other features.

04dcarraher

 ''There was also talk of a new processing module in the PS4 hardware designed to handle tasks like background downloading. Our sources suggest a low-power ARM core designed to handle "standby" tasks along these lines, while the console also saves the current gameplay state when the system is closed down, meaning instant access to the last game you played when you power up again. OS tasks and resource allocation remain unknown (512MB or thereabouts was discussed with developers) but we now have some idea of what this system can do: Sony talks about running a web browser "and other applications" during gameplay.''

I believe that still needs RAM.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

 

My guess is that they will dedicate something like 1GB to the OS and other functions.

They will also have to dedicate about 1 CPU core for recording since that is pretty CPU intensive even without it being RAW footage.

But RAM does not equate to performance unless there is a bottleneck.

The RAM will allow for larger levels and higher res textures but it won't make the GPU suddenly more powerful.

For example a GTX 560ti with 1GB of vRAM is still much more powerful than a 4870 with 2GB of vRAM.

The PS4 must also split that RAM between system and video.

So it will most likely be 4-5GB for system RAM and 2-3GB for video RAM while 1GB is dedicated to the OS and other features.

RyviusARC

We will see.

Right now it is all speculation.

The PS3 was split RAM and faired pretty well with the Xbox 360 although sometimes it did suffer slightly because of it but most of the time is was pretty close and sometimes the PS3 came on top in things like textures.

If you really think about it, the 360 has an os of 30MB and the ps3 about 50MB, to really think they are going to jump to 2GB supporting almost identical features + a few more is really... a stretch. Thats an excessive amount of code in comparison, you could technically load 4 full ps3 games in. I've got a full linux distro doing more than that with less ram usage...savagetwinkie

Like I said we shall see.

The WiiU has 1GB of RAM dedicated to the OS.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]If you really think about it, the 360 has an os of 30MB and the ps3 about 50MB, to really think they are going to jump to 2GB supporting almost identical features + a few more is really... a stretch. Thats an excessive amount of code in comparison, you could technically load 4 full ps3 games in. I've got a full linux distro doing more than that with less ram usage...RyviusARC

Like I said we shall see.

The WiiU has 1GB of RAM dedicated to the OS.

And your getting this info from where? because it looks like wishful dreaming, since recording is very demanding processing ,on hdd and memory usage. You can not have a perfect system without no hiccups 04dcarraher

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]If you really think about it, the 360 has an os of 30MB and the ps3 about 50MB, to really think they are going to jump to 2GB supporting almost identical features + a few more is really... a stretch. Thats an excessive amount of code in comparison, you could technically load 4 full ps3 games in. I've got a full linux distro doing more than that with less ram usage...RyviusARC

Like I said we shall see.

The WiiU has 1GB of RAM dedicated to the OS.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="tormentos"] The PS4 has a companion chip for recording,so no performance hit is suffer,that is one of the reason of my efficiency claims. The PS4 also has a ARM for OS,which mean no CPU core touch either or at worst case scenario incredible minimal impact. I know it will not make the GPU more powerful i never say that,it will allow how ever the GPU to work to its fullest.Tessellation

 ''There was also talk of a new processing module in the PS4 hardware designed to handle tasks like background downloading. Our sources suggest a low-power ARM core designed to handle "standby" tasks along these lines, while the console also saves the current gameplay state when the system is closed down, meaning instant access to the last game you played when you power up again. OS tasks and resource allocation remain unknown (512MB or thereabouts was discussed with developers) but we now have some idea of what this system can do: Sony talks about running a web browser "and other applications" during gameplay.''

I believe that still needs RAM.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]If you really think about it, the 360 has an os of 30MB and the ps3 about 50MB, to really think they are going to jump to 2GB supporting almost identical features + a few more is really... a stretch. Thats an excessive amount of code in comparison, you could technically load 4 full ps3 games in. I've got a full linux distro doing more than that with less ram usage...savagetwinkie

Like I said we shall see.

The WiiU has 1GB of RAM dedicated to the OS.

We shall see.