I've said this once and I'll reitirate it. Did everyone just up and forget what a steaming turd Saints Row was? I mean yeah, it had some fun parts (like insurance fraud), but the physics were horrendous, and the story was atrocious. And I mean atrocious. The voice actors all had that "YO YO YO" mentality too. Yuck.

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Actually Saints Row was extremely fun. I had a few paragraphs typed out in one of the other GTA vs. Saints Row threads I tried to post in before I saw this one, but since the mods see fit to go on ****ing locking sprees it was lost in the ether of the internet tubes for all time.

But basically I think there is a place in the world for both Saints Row and GTA. GTA has taken a more serious approach, and it was a great game, but SR was just crazy fun. Say what you will about the gangsta baditude, I thought it was pretty silly and over the top, the shooting mechanics were simple but solid, and I actually thought the story was funny and well done. People gotta stop taking stories in games like this so seriously.

Overall Saints Row feels pretty under-appreciated and I'm looking forward to SR2 as much or more than I was GTA IV.

As much as I'd love it to be great, I think Too Human will review poorly, like potentially 6-7 range scores.

Other games I'm interested in, Alone in the Dark I predict to be a 7.0, Silent Hill 5 a 7.0 or 7.5.

I also predict Killzone 2 will clock in at about 8.0, carried by its excellent presentation but marred by standard run-of-the-mill FPS gameplay.

First off if today's games can still fit in the "meager" ~8gb or so that DVD discs offer, I doubt very much games will need 45-75gb within the next 3 years.

However, I do see the limitations of 360'd DVD becoming an issue by the end of this generation but only for maybe 10% of the games, like the really high quality sandbox ones like a new, bigger GTA.

If Rockstar ever wanted to release the next-gen equivalent of GTA: San Andreas, with its huge land mass, with multiple cities, villages, countryside and desert environments, I think there will be a major problem unless Microsoft allows them to use an install disc, and slap a big ol' "Hard Drive Required!" sticker on the box.

However I still think they made the right decision going with standard DVD this generation. Their mistake was not making the hard drive standard across all SKUs.

So yeah, I guess I can see the 360 still going strong for another 3 years, even if it drops to 3rd behind the PS3 and Wii its still generating enough sales to justify its existence.

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To understand Systemwars, you have to understand that the Gamespot Forum creators were actually quite clever. They created one forum which absorbed 90% of the filthy teenaged hormonal rage and angst, and that mid-30's bitter, jaded gamer mindset which leads to such inflammatory, confrontational posts that ruin rational discussion. Switch to any other forum on Gamespot and you'll see that they are largely absent - that's because of this forum. The Systemwars forum is a garbage dump for the rest of the Gamespot forums - and a very good one. If you intend to hang around here, be aware of what you're hanging around - and if you want the "better" ****of posting you seem to be avocating, simply visit one of the other forums. It's already there for you. Or, go to Avault or some half decent site - plenty of very rational placse left on the Net... Just not this particular forum.

About five years ago this was a forum in which you could have an earnest debate. There were a lot of good - really good - posters. There was the odd troll in here, but... Then it became a game. Guys like Whipitgoo invented the FJC (Flop Judiciary Committee) and the game became fun. Everyone knew the rules, and discussion this DC game VS this PS2 game became a " HA HA! My game is better than your game!" game in itself. And thus... The origins of the System Wars we now know came into existence. Posters like Afbrat and AfterShafter either became completely ignored, or soured by the atmosphere, in the face of the attention grabbing one liner of "FLOP!!!!!111111one1!" with a picture of a pancake posted after. (actually, the whole flop thing started with people posting pictures of the pancake bunny - remember that guy? Well, now you know the evil he represents).

You know, System Wars is a garbage dump... But as such, it's a good thing. It keeps the city clean. If you want good, clean posting and rational debate, go visit General discussion, or just another forum entirely - there are some great ones out there. Don't try and change this forum here though - without it, all of Gamespot, and likely a few more forums out there, would be worse. In my opinion, the mods in System Wars are even a bit too strict... They just lead to people perfect the art of ban-dodging and realizing that there really are no consequences for being an ass on the net. AmyMizuno

Its all true. I never understood why mods became so strict in System Wars in recent years. Its like chastising garbage men for dumping their garbage at the dumpster.